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KBD

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So ive made my decision, after 100 times of debating back and forth saying im going to and then backing off etc. Im gonna do it. So i got a bottle of Humulin-R Im going to be doing this, please correct me on anything.

500mg Test Cyp Week
10iu GH day
5iu Slin PWO 3x a week.

I suppose that GH should help keep slin fat gain to a minimal, if not, is T3 Necessary?
 
goldy

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whats is your reasoning behind the decision to run your slin PWO? what is your carb intake like around your humulin shot? do you know how long it is active in your body? what time of day is PWO for you? why only PWO? why only 3X a week?

answer those and receive help you will....
 
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5 IU is a manageable amount, but only if you know the correct amount of carbs you should be taking in relative to your bodyweight. I haev never used slin so I cannot offer up any personal experience or anecdotes, but I do know that you have already had problems with going hypo from gh now and again. DO NOT.... absolutely DO NOT use slin unless you are going to be committed to being safe about it. You can't just eat a bowl of ice cream or a stack of pancakes after your shot. The only person I've ever known personally to take slin got fat real quick because his diet sucked. As soon as he reeled in his diet, he got huge and managed to stay lean. It's all about the diet, but you knew that already :)
 
KBD

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whats is your reasoning behind the decision to run your slin PWO? what is your carb intake like around your humulin shot? do you know how long it is active in your body? what time of day is PWO for you? why only PWO? why only 3X a week?

answer those and receive help you will....

Well injecting post workout would be to get in the carbs/protein after the workout therefore, them being absorbed.

Carb Intake: 48oz Gatorade immediately after inject with a protein shake. takes me 20 mins to get home, meal 2 chicken breasts and 2 sweet potatoes (pre-cooked so its waiting for me), holding and OJ by my side.

I asume Humilin-R peaks again after 2 hours, so i will have another carb protein meal, was also thinking about carrying syrup around with me and sipping on it.

Humulin-R 4 hours active life correct?

Post Workout is 5pm and im always staying up until 3-4AM every night, im a nightowl.

Doing 3x for only the larger muscle groups. 1 day for chest, 1 day for legs, 1 day for back.
 
red rocket

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I fing log is better, its quicker and easier to maintain. And even it has a second spike with me about 3hours after injection. So you need to figure out what works for you. Humalin could be 5 hours of hell if done wrong.

Also IF I used humalin, I'd go with a shot in the am, and another half way through my day to make the most of it. Again log is better IMO. And PWO log isnt ideal, you want to fill those glycogen stores really quickly.
 
goldy

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Also IF I used humalin, I'd go with a shot in the am, and another half way through my day to make the most of it. And PWO log isnt ideal, you want to fill those glycogen stores really quickly.
BINGO on the first part, and I think you meant humulin where i bolded...
 
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@Redrocket- humalog is almost impossible to find without a script now. I agree that it's better for BB purposes, but only if one can find it. I'm assuming he went with R because it's easy to get.

@KBD- I never felt a second peak at 2 hours, but at or around the 3.5-4 hour mark I would always be ready with a Karbolyn shake. Speaking of Karbolyn, spend some of that money from selling your undies and buy a tub of Karbolyn. I had MUCH more control over blood sugar and fat gain once I included Karbolyn. You should also look more into what you want to include in that very first shake. I took my slin PRW so I included a shit-ton of stuff into my shake that I took immediately post-injection. But the same principle applies to PWO. You want glutamine, creatine, BCAAs, EAAs, arginine, taurine, beta-alanine, shit anything you want flooded into your muscles, put it in there, along with the Karbolyn.
 
MAYO

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Mayo's in for this...keep it comin! Good luck KBD.
 
Mindlesswork

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Good luck KBD, we all know you aren't all that bad bro.
 
KBD

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@Redrocket- humalog is almost impossible to find without a script now. I agree that it's better for BB purposes, but only if one can find it. I'm assuming he went with R because it's easy to get.

@KBD- I never felt a second peak at 2 hours, but at or around the 3.5-4 hour mark I would always be ready with a Karbolyn shake. Speaking of Karbolyn, spend some of that money from selling your undies and buy a tub of Karbolyn. I had MUCH more control over blood sugar and fat gain once I included Karbolyn. You should also look more into what you want to include in that very first shake. I took my slin PRW so I included a shit-ton of stuff into my shake that I took immediately post-injection. But the same principle applies to PWO. You want glutamine, creatine, BCAAs, EAAs, arginine, taurine, beta-alanine, shit anything you want flooded into your muscles, put it in there, along with the Karbolyn.

I agree with you in saying that Humalog is a bitch to find, so you can walk into walmart and buy a bottle of Humulin? I feel like my friend fucked me over then lol with price of course.

Anywho SAD, ill look into Karbolyn, isnt injecting pre-workout more dangerous? I thought PWO would be more manageable, not arguing just asking questions thats all.
 
MAYO

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Here...stole this from basskilleronline.com:

Mutant's Insulin Protocal

Ok, so after talking to some professional and elite bodybuilders, I have learned quite a bit about what a well known professional trainer is having these bodybuilders to do to obtain the retarded amounts of weight they have been added to their bodies. It's simply taking their insulin pre-workout, combined with 3 "shakes". I looked at this Insulin protocol, and the ingredients in the shakes, and designed my own Insulin Protacol to better suit my goals and routine. I use better quality of ingredients in my shakes, and added my HGH pre-workout, and igf-1lr3 post workout as well.
Now, the theory behind this insulin protocol is, "Why break the body down, only to rebuild it? When you can simply keep adding onto the Body!"
So basically, by forcing the carbohydrates and Essential Amino Acids into your muscles while you train, the muscle tissue is not breaking down in the same manner that they normally would. It is actually being both protected and forced to grow at the same time. I have not done too much research behind the theory, but it sure sounded good to me, based on what I know about enhancing drugs and supplementation. I prefer trying things out myself, and going by results. Well, the results were spectacular.
Before I begin, I want to say that this typed out protocol is just a base. It is to give you a base to work from/with. Everybody is different. Some people will need more or less carbs and amino acids. This is based on the amount of insulin that they are using and how their bodies react. This is why I gave a range for the supplements and insulin doses. You will need to adjust it based on how you react. For the carbohydrates, always start high, and lower it accordingly, once you get the feel of it.
We start off by taking our HGH, and give it a few minutes to get circulating, before we add our insulin. The idea behind this, is to make sure that the HGH passes the liver while we have a substantial amount of insulin in the body. This is how we produce large IGF-1 spikes. After the workout, we go home and take our IGF-1LR3. We are taking this to increase our insulin sensitivity, and to help use up any of those receptors that we have not filled. I could go more into detail, but if you are using this protocol, you should already know all about the drugs, and should be able to put it together yourself.
- -30 min prior to workout: Take 10iu HGH subq
- -15 min prior to workout: Take 6-16iu Novalog subq
- -10 min prior to workout: Drink shake #1
- -After every working set: Sip on shake #2, and finish by end of workout
- -Go home
- -Take 100mcg of the IGF-1lr3 (for it's insulin sensitizing effects)
- -Take down shake #3
- -Done..now you are huge
Ok, now what is in the shakes...
Shake 1: 10-20g EAA's or PeptoPro, 40-60g Low DE Maltodextrin, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate, 200mg Caffeine (or pre-workout powdered mix of choice in place of caffeine)
Shake 2: 10-20g EAA's or PeptoPro, 50-100g Dextrose, 5g Micronized Creatine Monohydrate
Shake 3: 2 cups pasteurized egg whites, 1 cup dry oats, 1 banana or 1 cup blueberries (I prefer them to be frozen), splenda or stevia
*There is no need for a supplemented post workout shake because your glycogen will not be depleted, and you will have been ingesting aminos the whole time too. So dense whole food calories with low fat content, are going to be the best option here. So we throw it in a blender and take it down.
Now, I would like to advise you cheap-skates, not to go out and buy the cheapest ingredients that you can find. Please pick quality supplements. It does and will make a difference. Spend the extra 2$ and buy some quality shit, or your results may be skewed. Thinks about it this way: Your body is a Lamborghini. Would you fill your tank with low grade octane from Costco? No, of course not, it would run like shit. So use quality supplements, not bulk junk crap, and your results will be that much better!
Supplement idea for those of you who need to be pointed in the right direction:
EAA's: Champion Nutrition makes a good EAA product that has creatine in it, and also one that has caffeine too. It's called Amino Shooter. There are 3 versions. None are a proprietary blend, and they are made with pharmacy grade aminos.
PeptoPro: This can be used in place of the EAA's. It is a high quality peptide/EAA product made from hydrolyzed casein. Different companies buy PeptoPro and flavor it. One brand I have tried that is flavored is MAP by Primordial Performance.
Low DE Maltodextrin: This means Low Dextrose Equivalency. The lower the equivalence, the more complex of a chain it is, and the slower it will break down into a sugar. A couple good ones are Carb Complex by Nutek, and Cytocarb 2 by Cytosport. If corn maltodextrins give you stomach problems, then other water soluble carbohydrates like Karbolyn can work. They just tend to be expensive, and do the same exact thing. Some people that have used this protocol with success, have actually used dextrose in place of the maltodextrin due to stomach problems.
Dextrose: Yes, you can find this anywhere, but I prefer AST's DGC because it also contains vitamins.
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: Well, the name says it all. Any brand that uses Creapure as the source of their creatine monohydrate, should be just fine. I use Bioplex.
*Do not use cheap starch carbs, like waxy maize, in the shakes. The carbs need to be water soluble and easily digested. By keeping them soluble, they help pull the aminos in.
I decided to throw this protocol together after I had my leg surgery, in hopes of gaining some abnormal amounts of muscle back that I had lost. I can tell you that I did, and this protocol works better than any protocol I have ever used. I started off at 204 - 205lb, and ended up at 234 after 4-5 weeks! I was taking anabolics on the side, but I guarantee that amount of insane weight, that fast, was not from the long estered steroids I was taking. I literally filled out instantly. When I dropped the insulin, I only lost a few pounds of water, and retained most, if not all, of my strength. So the gains were very solid, and not just a bunch of glycogen storage.
I do not want to post this on the open forums because there are too many idiot kids out there that will attempt this protocol in hopes of becoming an instant monster (which wont happen for them), and they will mess it up somehow. Maybe by being stupid, maybe by cutting corners, maybe by using cheap ingredients. Who knows? I don't need people hurting themselves, or not having good results, and them coming back and complaining. Even though they were the ones cutting corners!
So, there it is boys. Some people are paying big money for this type of info. It's nothing special. It's just different, but it makes sense and it works.
*Added note: Since this protocol was designed and posted, a handful of advanced users have tried it as part of their bulking regime. They have also had great success.
Good Luck and Stay safe MUTANT
 
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Only prob is u can't get log without a script so mutants protocol is out the window for a lot of people unless u shoot the humulin r a certain way that I wont mention lol
 
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