Strength training + soya protein shake help women slim faster

[Rottenrogue]

Sad you are much better than I am at bringing up proper studies.When you have time would you mind posting some good ones that point out the dangers of soy. I guess my logic is sheer redneck logic and I can't tell you why soy is bad.There is so much controversy about it .I have heard it really messes with female (and male) hormones.I dont think a food should do this .I sure in the hell wouldnt intentionally et it.Now i am not gonna die if I eat a bite of soy but I wouldnt use it as a protien source.

 

[SAD]

Sad you are much better than I am at bringing up proper studies.When you have time would you mind posting some good ones that point out the dangers of soy. I guess my logic is sheer redneck logic and I can't tell you why soy is bad.There is so much controversy about it .I have heard it really messes with female (and male) hormones.I dont think a food should do this .I sure in the hell wouldnt intentionally et it.Now i am not gonna die if I eat a bite of soy but I wouldnt use it as a protien source.

When I have a little more time, I'll post search through some actual studies and not just online articles, but in the meantime, here's an article with a vast amount of information.

What I find most interesting about this article is that it is found on a site for "Natural Health", which immediately makes me think Hippies, who most of us assume love soy.






This "Miracle Health Food" Has Been Linked to Brain Damage and Breast Cancer
Posted By Dr. Mercola | September 18 2010 | 475,511 views


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If you were to carefully review the thousands of studies published on soy, I strongly believe you would reach the same conclusion as I have—which is, the risks of consuming unfermented soy products FAR outweigh any possible benefits.

Notice I said unfermented soy products.

For centuries, Asian people have been consuming fermented soy products such as natto, tempeh, and soy sauce, and enjoying the health benefits. Fermented soy does not wreak havoc on your body like unfermented soy products do.

Unfortunately, many Americans who are committed to healthy lifestyles have been hoodwinked and manipulated into believing that unfermented and processed soy products like soymilk, soy cheese, soy burgers and soy ice cream are good for them.

How Did Soy Foods Become So Popular?

If it seems like soy foods appeared out of nowhere to be regarded as the “miracle health food” of the 21st Century, it’s because they did.

From 1992 to 2006, soy food sales increased from $300 million to nearly $4 billion, practically overnight, according to the Soyfoods Association of North America. This growth came about due to a massive shift in attitudes about soy. And this shift was no accident—it was the result of a massive investment in advertising by the soy industry that’s been wildly successful.

Soy is indeed big business, very big business.

From 2000 to 2007, U.S. food manufacturers introduced more than 2,700 new soy-based foods, and new soy products continue to appear on your grocer’s shelves.

According to the survey Consumer Attitudes About Nutrition 2008 (by the United Soybean Board):

As of 2007, 85 percent of consumers perceive soy products as healthful
33 percent of Americans eat soy foods or beverages at least once a month
70 percent of consumers believe soybean oil is good for them
84 percent of consumers agree with the FDA’s claim that consuming 25 grams of soy protein daily reduces your risk of heart disease
This is a tragic case of shrewd marketing and outright lies taking root among the masses with the end result of producing large profits for the soy industry and impaired health for most who have been deceived into using unfermented soy long-term..

As you can see from the extensive list of articles below, there is a large amount of scientific research showing that soy is not the nutritional panacea of the 21st Century.

The Dark Side of Soy

The vast majority of soy at your local market is not a health food. The exception is fermented soy, which I’ll explain more about later and even worse GMO soy that is contaminated with large pesticide residues as the reason it is GMO is so they can spray the potent toxic herbicide Roundup on them to improve crop production by killing the weeds.

Unlike the Asian culture, where people eat small amounts of whole non-GMO soybean products, western food processors separate the soybean into two golden commodities—protein and oil. And there is nothing natural or safe about these products.

Dr. Kaayla Daniel, author of The Whole Soy Story, points out thousands of studies linking soy to malnutrition, digestive distress, immune-system breakdown, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders and infertility—even cancer and heart disease.

Here is just a sampling of the health effects that have been linked to soy consumption:

Breast cancer
Brain damage
Infant abnormalities
Thyroid disorders
Kidney stones
Immune system impairment
Severe, potentially fatal food allergies
Impaired fertility
Danger during pregnancy and nursing
Soy proponents will argue that soy-based foods (they lump the fermented ones with the unfermented) will protect you from everything from colon, prostate and breast cancer to strokes, osteoporosis, and asthma.

But said enthusiasts never mention the studies that illuminate soy’s downside and all of the dangers posed to your health, which are based on sound research.

Another unfortunate fact is that 80 percent of the world’s soy is used in farm animal feed, which is why soy production is contributing to deforestation. Some soy propagandists have suggested that the solution to this is for all of us to become vegetarians—a reckless recommendation rooted in total ignorance about nutrition—whereas a far better solution is a major overhaul in how farm animals are fed and raised.

What Makes Soy Such a Risky Food to Eat?

Here is a summary of soy’s most glaring problems.

91 percent of soy grown in the US is genetically modified (GM). The genetic modification is done to impart resistance to the toxic herbicide Roundup. While this is meant to increase farming efficiency and provide you with less expensive soy, the downside is that your soy is loaded with this toxic pesticide. The plants also contain genes from bacteria that produce a protein that has never been part of the human food supply.
GM soy has been linked to an increase in allergies. Disturbingly, the only published human feeding study on GM foods ever conducted verified that the gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA of our gut bacteria and continues to function. This means that years after you stop eating GM soy, you may still have a potentially allergenic protein continuously being produced in your intestines.

Even more frightening is the potential for GM soy to cause infertility in future generations, which has been evidenced by recent Russian research.

Soy contains natural toxins known as “anti-nutrients.”
Soy foods contain anti-nutritional factors such as saponins, soyatoxin, phytates, protease inhibitors, oxalates, goitrogens and estrogens. Some of these factors interfere with the enzymes you need to digest protein. While a small amount of anti-nutrients would not likely cause a problem, the amount of soy that many Americans are now eating is extremely high.

Soy contains hemagglutinin.
Hemagglutinin is a clot-promoting substance that causes your red blood cells to clump together. These clumped cells are unable to properly absorb and distribute oxygen to your tissues.

Soy contains goitrogens
Goitrogens are substances that block the synthesis of thyroid hormones and interfere with iodine metabolism, thereby interfering with your thyroid function.

Soy contains phytates.
Phytates (phytic acid) bind to metal ions, preventing the absorption of certain minerals, including calcium, magnesium, iron, and zinc -- all of which are co-factors for optimal biochemistry in your body. This is particularly problematic for vegetarians, because eating meat reduces the mineral-blocking effects of these phytates (so it is helpful—if you do eat soy—to also eat meat).

Soy is loaded with the isoflavones genistein and daidzein
Isoflavones are a type of phytoestrogen, which is a plant compound resembling human estrogen. These compounds mimic and sometimes block the hormone estrogen, and have been found to have adverse effects on various human tissues. Soy phytoestrogens are known to disrupt endocrine function, may cause infertility, and may promote breast cancer in women.

Drinking even two glasses of soymilk daily for one month provides enough of these compounds to alter your menstrual cycle. Although the FDA regulates estrogen-containing products, no warnings exist on soy.

Soy has toxic levels of aluminum and manganese
Soybeans are processed (by acid washing) in aluminum tanks, which can leach high levels of aluminum into the final soy product. Soy formula has up to 80 times higher manganese than is found in human breast milk.

Soy infant formula puts your baby’s health at risk.
Nearly 20 percent of U.S. infants are now fed soy formula, but the estrogens in soy can irreversibly harm your baby’s sexual development and reproductive health. Infants fed soy formula take in an estimated five birth control pills’ worth of estrogen every day.

Infants fed soy formula have up to 20,000 times the amount of estrogen in circulation as those fed other formulas!

There is also the issue of pesticides and genetic modification.

Soy foods are both heavily sprayed with pesticides and genetically modified (GM). More than 80 percent of the soy grown in the United States is GM. And more than 90 percent of American soy crops are GM.

Since the introduction of GM foods in 1996, we’ve had an upsurge in low birth weight babies, infertility, and other problems in the U.S. population, and animal studies thus far have shown devastating effects from consuming GM soy.

You may want to steer clear of soy products for no other reason than a commitment to avoiding GM foods... unless you wish to be a lab animal for this massive uncontrolled experiment by the biotech industry.

What Soy Products are Good For You?

I want to be clear that I am not opposed to all soy. Soy can be incredibly healthful, but ONLY if it is organic and properly fermented.

After a long fermentation process, the phytate and “anti-nutrient” levels of soybeans are reduced, and their beneficial properties become available to your digestive system.

You may have heard that Japanese people live longer and have lower rates of cancer than Americans because they eat so much soy—but it’s primarily fermented soy that they consume, and it’s always been that way.

Fermented soy products are the only ones I recommend consuming.

These are the primary fermented soy products you’ll find:

Tempeh a fermented soybean cake with a firm texture and nutty, mushroom-like flavor.
Miso, a fermented soybean paste with a salty, buttery texture (commonly used in miso soup).
Natto, fermented soybeans with a sticky texture and strong, cheese-like flavor.
Soy sauce, which is traditionally made by fermenting soybeans, salt and enzymes; be wary because many varieties on the market today are made artificially using a chemical process.
Please note that tofu is NOT on this list. Tofu is not fermented, so is not among the soy foods I recommend.

Vitamin K2: One of the Major Benefits of Fermented Soy

One of the main benefits of fermented soy, especially natto, is that it is the best food source of vitamin K2. Vitamin K2 is essential to preventing osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease, and diseases of the brain such as dementia, and protecting you from various cancers including prostate, lung, liver cancer and leukemia.

Vitamin K acts synergistically with vitamin D to keep you healthy.

Vitamin K is sometimes referred to as the “forgotten vitamin” because its benefits are often overlooked. It was named after the word “Koagulation,” to reflect its essential role in blood clotting. In fact, the enzyme nattokinase—derived from natto—is safer and more powerful than aspirin in dissolving blood clots, and has been used safely for more than 20 years.

If you enjoy natto or some of the other fermented soy foods, you can get several milligrams of vitamin K2 from them each day (this level far exceeds the amount of vitamin K2 found even in dark green vegetables).

Unfortunately, the health benefits of many of the fermented soy foods fall by the wayside because many Americans do not enjoy their flavor.

If you don’t want to consume natto to get your vitamin K2, the next best thing would be to get use supplemental Vitamin K2 (MK-7). Remember, vitamin K must be taken with a source of fat in order to be absorbed.

I suggest adults consume about 150 mcg of vitamin K2 daily.

Medical Problems
Caused by Soy:
Legal Action Request

Tips for Avoiding Unwanted Soy Foods

For a simple rule of thumb, just remember that unless soy is fermented (tempeh, miso, natto, or traditionally made soy sauce), you’re better off avoiding it.

Soy foods to avoid include:

Tofu

TVP (texturized vegetable protein) or soy protein isolate, which contains a large amount of msg, which you should definitely not consume

Soybean oil
Soymilk
Soy cheese, soy ice cream, soy yogurt
Soy “meat” (meatless products made of TVP)
Soy protein
Edamame
Soy infant formula
The best way to eliminate non-fermented soy from your diet is to avoid all processed foods and instead purchase whole foods that you prepare yourself.

If you do buy packaged foods, you can check the label to see if it contains soy. The Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act, which took effect in January 2006, requires that food manufacturers list soy on the label, because it’s one of the top eight food allergens.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

For the love of God, please site references for all of your c/p stuff FIST. I'd bet money that the soy industry paid for the studies that claim soy is beneficial.

None of your serial posting has been potentially dangerous until this thread.

Ladies, and gents as well, do NOT eat soy when it can be avoided. Do NOT give your babies soy based formula.

For the love of God,will you learn to read.Ive posted where the studies ive posted were from.Obviously you need to read further before crying again kid.Allow me edit the posts with highlights for you.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Thats a great copy & paste s&d unfortunately its talking about "UNFERMENTED" soy.Its states that at the top of the post for Christs sake.So when you actually find some research stating that soy itself is bad for you,please post it up.Until then we;ll just let you rant for the sake of ranting kid.Thats like saying meat is bad for you because if you eat RAW meat there are health concerns.Or eggs are bad for you because raw eggs have a salmonella risk! Get a grip on reality man.

Everything I posted actually has studies done with people to PROVE its findings.They are actual results taken from actual people.They must be wrong huh?

 

[F.I.S.T.]

as with ANYTHING, there is good and bad it just depends on who is paying for the research!

Agreed.As ATW stated,there is good and bad in EVERYTHING.You'll always have some saying one food is great while others saying it's bad.I can go on forever posting studies of how good soy is for you and others can post the opposite.The bottom line is what you choose to believe.Soy has been around for centuries and has been utilized greatly and guess what,were still here so you make your own choice and find out for yourself how you react to it.

One of the biggest concerns should be where you get it,and how its processed.As with anything,the handling,manufacturing,processing,shipping methods,etc all play a major role in the foods safety.

 

[SAD]

For the love of God,will you learn to read.Ive posted where the studies ive posted were from.Obviously you need to read further before crying again kid.Allow me edit the posts with highlights for you.

You still haven't cited references for those articles FIST. The author of those articles cited the reference for the quote used within the article, but that isn't citing a reference for the article itself. I'm trying to figure out how to make it more clear, but it's hard for me to dumb it down anymore than I already have. The articles you post should be attributed to somebody if they were not written by you. Not a study within the article or a quote within the article, but the article itself. You have not done that in this and hundreds of other c/p threads.

 

[dangerouscurves]

Thats a great copy & paste s&d unfortunately its talking about "UNFERMENTED" soy.Its states that at the top of the post for Christs sake.So when you actually find some research stating that soy itself is bad for you,please post it up.Until then we;ll just let you rant for the sake of ranting kid.Thats like saying meat is bad for you because if you eat RAW meat there are health concerns.Or eggs are bad for you because raw eggs have a salmonella risk! Get a grip on reality man.

Everything I posted actually has studies done with people to PROVE its findings.They are actual results taken from actual people.They must be wrong huh?

and soya protein wouldnt be included in the fermented category as my understanding ... soy sauces, tempeh , thats about it .... I stay the f away from soy, I am already estrogen dominant, and it is used in a LOT of processed foods, since cutting the soy from my diet I had huge improvements and dont take risks with my boobies health either, as it is in the maternal side of my fam, and not far from my generation.... I agree with ATW, the good and bad in all things , but I personally just stay the hell away from it !

 

[dangerouscurves]

....side not on "isoflavons" I hooked a girlfriend up with them after a miscarriage, over a year of being infertile and a diagnosis of PCOS.... first month on them she got pregnant, it is used the same as clomid in fertility , a small 5 day run at certain points in beginning of cycle produces same effects as clomid for CHEAP.... but any more than this makes you not ovulate at all! soooo using a powder with high SOY ISOFLAVONS daily is really going to mess with a womans cycle

 

[SAD]

Thats a great copy & paste s&d unfortunately its talking about "UNFERMENTED" soy.Its states that at the top of the post for Christs sake.So when you actually find some research stating that soy itself is bad for you,please post it up.Until then we;ll just let you rant for the sake of ranting kid.Thats like saying meat is bad for you because if you eat RAW meat there are health concerns.Or eggs are bad for you because raw eggs have a salmonella risk! Get a grip on reality man.

Everything I posted actually has studies done with people to PROVE its findings.They are actual results taken from actual people.They must be wrong huh?

Unfermented soy IS soy itself. I think it was you that told me to "learn how to read", so I did, and guess what I read in the article that I posted on page 1? The one you did NOT read, except for the "unfermented" part, which clearly went over your head.


Fermented soy products are the only ones I recommend consuming.

These are the primary fermented soy products you’ll find:

Tempeh a fermented soybean cake with a firm texture and nutty, mushroom-like flavor.
Miso, a fermented soybean paste with a salty, buttery texture (commonly used in miso soup).
Natto, fermented soybeans with a sticky texture and strong, cheese-like flavor.
Soy sauce, which is traditionally made by fermenting soybeans, salt and enzymes; be wary because many varieties on the market today are made artificially using a chemical process.
Please note that tofu is NOT on this list. Tofu is not fermented, so is not among the soy foods I recommend.

Vitamin K2: One of the Major Benefits of Fermented Soy

One of the main benefits of fermented soy, especially natto, is that it is the best food source of vitamin K2. Vitamin K2 is essential to preventing osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease, and diseases of the brain such as dementia, and protecting you from various cancers including prostate, lung, liver cancer and leukemia.

Vitamin K acts synergistically with vitamin D to keep you healthy.

Vitamin K is sometimes referred to as the “forgotten vitamin” because its benefits are often overlooked. It was named after the word “Koagulation,” to reflect its essential role in blood clotting. In fact, the enzyme nattokinase—derived from natto—is safer and more powerful than aspirin in dissolving blood clots, and has been used safely for more than 20 years.

If you enjoy natto or some of the other fermented soy foods, you can get several milligrams of vitamin K2 from them each day (this level far exceeds the amount of vitamin K2 found even in dark green vegetables).

Unfortunately, the health benefits of many of the fermented soy foods fall by the wayside because many Americans do not enjoy their flavor.





LMAO. I think it's hilarious that you thought people drink fermented soy milk and that most soy products on the market are fermented. FIST, you haven't been around this board long enough to get to know me and the time you have spent here you've been busy muddling up the board with c/p shit, but I am no kid. Understand that this escalated because you got your panties in a bunch over me calling you out for not citing references. But don't worry, you didn't hurt my feelings, you just took off my muzzle. And I think that reality that I got a grip on just bitch slapped you.

 

[Halo]

For me personally Soy is very bad, instantly softens of muscles and gyno symptoms right along with it. Funny that Someandone mentioned Natto, not that many if any people not in Asia even know what it is, but when I lived in Japan I ate Natto frequently and never had any negative reactions to it. Natto actually smells like dirty gym shoes, no kidding and it's all striggy from being rotten and such. It took me 10 tries to be able to eat it but now I love it, don't eat of find it very often but do enjoy it.

 

[SAD]

For me personally Soy is very bad, instantly softens of muscles and gyno symptoms right along with it. Funny that Someandone mentioned Natto, not that many if any people not in Asia even know what it is, but when I lived in Japan I ate Natto frequently and never had any negative reactions to it. Natto actually smells like dirty gym shoes, no kidding and it's all striggy from being rotten and such. It took me 10 tries to be able to eat it but now I love it, don't eat of find it very often but do enjoy it.

Agreed. And just to clarify, it was the properly attributed article that I posted that mentioned Natto, not me myself.

 

[AllTheWay]

remember to play within the lines gentlemen this is a good discussion so lets prove our points with science and not arguing the education or thoughts of one vs the other! often times overuse of sarcasm defeats ones intended purpose!

thanks