Show me the bodies

[tommyguns2]

This is a great discussion, lots of helpful information here and even when disagreeing all the discussion was positive. I think we all learn quite a bit from such discussions.

 

[Rottenrogue]

Well I'm as bad as @schultz
everytime this thread pops up I see " show me the boobies "

 

[Littleguy]

Well I'm as bad as @schultz
everytime this thread pops up I see " show me the boobies "

Neanderthal

 

[MARTY313]

Boobies! Now you have my attention.

 

[Heady Muscle]

http://www.anabolic.org/changes-in-the-heart-as-a-result-of-aas-abuse/

 

[Littleguy]

http://www.anabolic.org/changes-in-the-heart-as-a-result-of-aas-abuse/

Reading this is pretty confusing as it states he is an MD, yet if you research the types of of muscle that comprise the heart itself, I cannot find any support that his claim of 50% of the heart is comprised of skeletal muscle anywhere.
Cardiac muscle appears to be its own animal, although in appearance it has some similarities to striated muscle, the type and form of contraction and molecular structure are unique.

 

[enjoy_tren]

Had a doppler yesterday and got the results today.
My blood clot are still there.
The reading says its now totally blocked vs partial last reading 3 months ago.
I added GH in since and found today that one of the side effects is clotting.
I dont think the reading is necessary correct but it should have been the total opposite.

Time to drop the Gh and stop that.

Got put on lovenox (injectable blood thinner) twice a day and stronger what I am using now.
Its been a year and I am tired of dealing with it. Should have been gone by now I think.

I am flying overseas to my moms funeral in 2 weeks so thats a concern too.

Whoa....where did u read the bit about the gh thing?

Were in the same boat mk. But you read my thread on ab and i disagree with the docs blaming gear.

 

[MorganKane]

Whoa....where did u read the bit about the gh thing?

Were in the same boat mk. But you read my thread on ab and i disagree with the docs blaming gear.

I know you disagree but its a bit surprising that you do.
I am not sure why you are giving AAS a free pass here.
I am pretty sure its a contributor. It increases H&H, RBC and other blood related values.
Its a linear relationship between high H&H and clots.


I have not had time to really look into this but I found it here.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/13/human-growth-hormone
http://www.hghwatch.com/sideeffects.html
https://marshanunleymd.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/human-growth-hormone-fact-from-fiction/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/28/health/age-youth-treatment-medication/

 

[Littleguy]

Just for the record, the GH I stay away from.completely.
That to me is a bit too risky in anything other than a very low replacement dose

 

[enjoy_tren]

I know you disagree but its a bit surprising that you do.
I am not sure why you are giving AAS a free pass here.
I am pretty sure its a contributor. It increases H&H, RBC and other blood related values.
Its a linear relationship between high H&H and clots.


I have not had time to really look into this but I found it here.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/13/human-growth-hormone
http://www.hghwatch.com/sideeffects.html
https://marshanunleymd.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/human-growth-hormone-fact-from-fiction/
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/28/health/age-youth-treatment-medication/

Thanks for the links ill check it out

Not giving aas a free pass, but ive spent an absurd amount of time researching it when i was recovering. And still im going to be sending my medical records to the stroke clinic in stanford and see what they say. Based on my blood work i do not think aas was a major contributer. You see clots in the form of pe and dvts, rarely will you find it leading to ischemic strokes. To put it bluntly my docs were complete idiots. I tested positive for amphetamines and not one person questioned it. I did used to take ec back then but i couldve been smoking up meth for all they know and they didnt bat an eye brow. Last time i checked theres a big correlation between meth use and strokes.

 

[enjoy_tren]

By the way i should probably add that my disagreement has nothing to do with rationalizing my gear use. As you know im basically trt and gh these days. I know that regardless of the cause of stroke im more prone to having one in the future. It would be wise to reconsider everything im putting into my body. These docs didnt do me justice by neglecting to consider ephedrine as the cause. I was taking nolva back then as well, but funny how they didnt consider that. Dont even get me started on how they made me go thru a colonoscopy at the age of 36 because he was convinced i was bleeding internally

 

[MorganKane]

sorry about the slow response but I am out of the country.
My docs are no idiots and I have a pretty personal relationship with one of them.
He is an hematology doc. He is also one of the docs my wife works with.
He even called me when my mom passed.

He asked me if i need to be on TRT and when I said yes, that was it.
He suggested I find the lowest dose i can get away with.
He went over my tests a few times and I had a shitload of tests.
He pretty much said that if you have issues, AAS can be a contributor to make it a clot.

I am still using but less. The GH reads is a bit concerning but I havnt studied that enough to know if they all are referring to the same studies or its a someone common knowledge.

Using lovenox twice a day now. When I switch from long acting injectable thinners to high dose lovenox I pissed blood. Not blood in urine but really pissed blood. That was interesting. Not really scary since I knew why but strange looking down and your piss is red.

On the plane over here I made sure I got up frequent to walk around. Its annoying more than its a concern.

whatever you find please share..