Quitting Coffee

[genetic freak]

@genetic freak


Oh it sucked. I scratched sores in my feet preferring pain to the itch. But it did finally go away.

When I ran DNP, I had no business running it. I was like 17-18% BF each time I ran it. I just let myself get too fat and decided it would be a quick miracle to drop some fat. It worked, but the heat was pretty bad. First, I lived in Hawaii with no AC. Second, I think the more fat you have the worse the heat is. Third, this was almost 20 years ago when we would still titrate up to 800 mg a day. The juice is not worth the squeeze at that dose. Keep that shit low, 100-200 mg.

 

[beefnewton]

When I ran DNP, I had no business running it. I was like 17-18% BF each time I ran it. I just let myself get too fat and decided it would be a quick miracle to drop some fat. It worked, but the heat was pretty bad. First, I lived in Hawaii with no AC. Second, I think the more fat you have the worse the heat is. Third, this was almost 20 years ago when we would still titrate up to 800 mg a day. The juice is not worth the squeeze at that dose. Keep that shit low, 100-200 mg.

I started it around 13% if I remember correctly. I had a weird time of the whole run and spent my whole log questioning if the capsules I was using were too old or something. I didn't really experience that much heat. Some nights I'd sweat a bit, but most times I felt alright temp-wise. Workouts were alright the first week, but after that first week... yuck. Built up to 500mg from 250mg after 7 days and lasted 17 days before saying fuck it. Heat wasn't the problem. I just felt like shit, and I didn't think it really did much. Scale only showed 7.5 pounds, but that's actually quite a bit in retrospect the leaner you get. After I recovered and had time to forget, I noticed I actually looked pretty lean.. a lot leaner than before starting. Body fat came in at around 11%. These were InBody scans so not crazy accurate.

I have been thinking lately of doing another run but keeping it lower. I've seen a few people post about doing even less, like 100mg, for a month. But I'm going to try carb cycling for a while and see if I can get some consistent progress and how far I can take it. If I hit another plateau, I may start thinking of DNP again. I'm stocked up for this weekend. I'm not going out tomorrow night. Going to do a rest day tomorrow and carb day Sunday so it's the day before starting a new workout week.

 

[beefnewton]

@genetic freak How do you keep fats near zero? It was far easier for me to put together a day of food without carbs (only 1g today) than without fat. Even 8 ounce of tilapia has 4g. Or is 0g on carb day more like "try to keep as low as possible?" My current plan for tomorrow's carb day comes in at 11g fat... 6g from chicken breast, 4g from tilapia, and trace amounts from other things. Egg whites and a double fixing of tapioca crepes for breakfast. Shitload of rice throughout day with a package of strawberries (if they haven't yet rotted) at night.

Guess I could swap out the chicken breast for something else.. not sure what, though.

Today I ate a whole package of 90/10 ground beef tossed up with a generous amount of Frank's RedHot. That was enjoyable.

 

[genetic freak]

Near zero means you are not eating foods like salmon when you can eat cod, eggs when you can eat egg whites or sirloin when you can eat eye of round. You are still going to consume some fat. Also, it is impossible to know how much fat is in a cut of meat. Do they DEXA scan the chicken, cow or fish before or after they butcher it up? Have you ever watched Wicked Tuna and seen the massive variance there is in the fat of tuna? When they make the nutritional labels they are only putting the industry averages on there and they are actually allowed to change it by up to 20%. The butcher can say, that looks leaner than most and label it leaner, but he has no idea. In fact, ground beef is only eyeballed. When you choose 80/20, 85/15, 93/7 or 96/4 there is no quality control that actually measures how much fat is in the package. The butcher just looks at it and says, that looks like 80/20 or 93/7.

 

[beefnewton]

Near zero means you are not eating foods like salmon when you can eat cod, eggs when you can eat egg whites or sirloin when you can eat eye of round. You are still going to consume some fat. Also, it is impossible to know how much fat is in a cut of meat. Do they DEXA scan the chicken, cow or fish before or after they butcher it up? Have you ever watched Wicked Tuna and seen the massive variance there is in the fat of tuna? When they make the nutritional labels they are only putting the industry averages on there and they are actually allowed to change it by up to 20%. The butcher can say, that looks leaner than most and label it leaner, but he has no idea. In fact, ground beef is only eyeballed. When you choose 80/20, 85/15, 93/7 or 96/4 there is no quality control that actually measures how much fat is in the package. The butcher just looks at it and says, that looks like 80/20 or 93/7.

Thanks. I just wanted to know it was alright to get small amounts of fats on carb day. Plus, I realized today that for a long time... probably close to a year or more, I've been using an entry for the chicken I eat that has been significantly overstating calories, protein, and fat. For calories alone, I was getting a minimum of 200 less calories a day than I thought, as well as throwing off protein by around 30g and fats at least 10g. Today will end up being 7g of fat.

 

[gunslinger]

The only time I've ever had to quit coffee was when taking phentermine. (Thought I was gonna die) But other than that I cannot imagine life without it. My current addiction is Thai coffee because of one of my Thai daughters. (Can't have it often because of the sugar) Also one of my Jiu-jitsu students has gotten me into Cuban coffee.

 

[Thrawn]

Near zero means you are not eating foods like salmon when you can eat cod, eggs when you can eat egg whites or sirloin when you can eat eye of round. You are still going to consume some fat. Also, it is impossible to know how much fat is in a cut of meat. Do they DEXA scan the chicken, cow or fish before or after they butcher it up? Have you ever watched Wicked Tuna and seen the massive variance there is in the fat of tuna? When they make the nutritional labels they are only putting the industry averages on there and they are actually allowed to change it by up to 20%. The butcher can say, that looks leaner than most and label it leaner, but he has no idea. In fact, ground beef is only eyeballed. When you choose 80/20, 85/15, 93/7 or 96/4 there is no quality control that actually measures how much fat is in the package. The butcher just looks at it and says, that looks like 80/20 or 93/7.

That's good info to know

 

[genetic freak]

Thanks. I just wanted to know it was alright to get small amounts of fats on carb day. Plus, I realized today that for a long time... probably close to a year or more, I've been using an entry for the chicken I eat that has been significantly overstating calories, protein, and fat. For calories alone, I was getting a minimum of 200 less calories a day than I thought, as well as throwing off protein by around 30g and fats at least 10g. Today will end up being 7g of fat.

That is why a lot of coaches will only count the macros in food for what it is intended for. For example, meat sources they will only count the protein, vegetables they will only count the carbs, avocado they will only count the fat, oats they will only count the carbs, etc... Even though they know each of those sources has the other macros. The logic is you don't know if that chicken was 20% BF or 50% BF and that the bioavailability of the protein in vegetables and oats is so poor it is not worth counting as a protein source. That is understandable, however, I still try and count the other macros even if they are estimates as it will get me a lot closer to my actual daily intake than not counting them. It just makes it a pain in the ass, as every damn food label is different as is every app.

 

[Kluso]

Yea, I don't drink any from a pot. I like drinking coffee, but when I drink hot liquids I start sweating like a madman. Adding it to my protein drink is awesome. I make them the day/night prior so that the flavors meld together by time I drink it.

Have you tried True Nutritions Coffee Protien! It’s so good. But does mess with my gut occasionally. Has ground Arabica beans in it.

Protein Coffee (30 Servings)

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Sorry Beef. Lol

 

[beefnewton]

Have you tried True Nutritions Coffee Protien! It’s so good. But does mess with my gut occasionally. Has ground Arabica beans in it.

Protein Coffee (30 Servings)

True Nutrition's signature blend of pure Arabica coffee and whey protein to fuel your day!*

truenutrition.com

Sorry Beef. Lol

Nah you're fine. I cut way back on what I was drinking. Just a regular sized mug, 1.5 tablespoons of grounds. Feel ok and it satisfies that itch.

On a side note, today is my first "carb day." I'm finding it a bit hard to eat this much healthy food. If it was junk, no problem.. but I'm having to force it down a bit. I'm just halfway through the day's food, and it's 4PM so quite a bit behind. If this is a small taste of what you big guys deal with every day (but a hell of a lot more of it), I don't know how you do it.

And then I'll see anecdotes of certain AAS killing appetite, like Anadrol, when you need to be eating the most. Yuck.

And I'm only eating the bottom number of the range for carbs!

 

[genetic freak]

Nah you're fine. I cut way back on what I was drinking. Just a regular sized mug, 1.5 tablespoons of grounds. Feel ok and it satisfies that itch.

On a side note, today is my first "carb day." I'm finding it a bit hard to eat this much healthy food. If it was junk, no problem.. but I'm having to force it down a bit. I'm just halfway through the day's food, and it's 4PM so quite a bit behind. If this is a small taste of what you big guys deal with every day (but a hell of a lot more of it), I don't know how you do it.

And then I'll see anecdotes of certain AAS killing appetite, like Anadrol, when you need to be eating the most. Yuck.

And I'm only eating the bottom number of the range for carbs!

Haha. When I tell people you have to struggle to get to my level, I am mostly talking about eating. If you want to put down a bunch of clean calories for a growth phase it is tough. I end up missing meals, because I am not hungry. Then I have to eat two meals at the end of the day, which really sucks. Now pre-contest, that is a different story. Towards the end of contest prep on a cheat day I can put down 7500 calories easy. I will eat and 15 minutes later I am starving again.

 

[Warhead14]

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