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Pinning long esters eod

Determined

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I’ve noticed a lot guys doing this and have before myself bc the coach I was using told me to, what’s the benefits of hitting long esters eod vs 2x week?
 
Superman

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I do it all the time. I pin ED tho... Slim pins and 25g x 1 1/2
 
kid666

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Ive been on TRT for a number of years. Occasionally instead of my 1 shot 300mg Test E a week ill go 6 months and do .03ml EOD with a slin. Physcologically i feel better EOD but no real benefit otherwise IMO
 
Mike_RN

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If you're using 300mg/ml Cyp it's a lot easier to do 3.5 shots per week with 1cc then is to shoot 1.75ml or higher twice per week. Especially when tryin to fit Tren/Masteron/Deca/Primo/EQ into that 3ml syringe too.

It also helps when running short esters like Tren Ace or NPP. Less volume per pin is better than shooting less often (for my body)
 
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Torres

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I like EOD myself . For me i just feel better with the more frequent injections .
Some people don't like the more frequent pins , but for me, I never had an issue with this.
I know that I have read with more frequent pins , bloods and hormones stay more stable than further apart pins . That's prob the reason I feel better .
Each person is different , so I'd say try both options and see how your body reacts / feels afterward .
Just my opinion
 
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charger69

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There is definitely a difference! You keep your serum levels stable.
The easiest way to experience the difference is with tren. Take a fairly high amount 2x per week and then daily. Notice a difference in the sides???? I definitely did.
Keeping your serum levels stable eliminates the spikes and the sides that go with it.
Even if you are using short tren try changing to ED you still should see a difference.
 
PillarofBalance

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It's detrimental to pin too frequently as you will see lower peak levels.
 
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charger69

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It's detrimental to pin too frequently as you will see lower peak levels.
I’m not sure what you are trying to say. That is exactly what I said. Your serum levels remain stable. As you have peaks, you also have negative sides related to this.
You are trying to create homeostasis. Your natural test production is like that- yes it “peaks in the morning” but not a big difference.
Try taking 700 mg of tren every 3 days. The peaks are a bear to deal with.
If you are taking low quantities then yes, the difference is minimal.
 
PillarofBalance

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I’m not sure what you are trying to say. That is exactly what I said. Your serum levels remain stable. As you have peaks, you also have negative sides related to this.
You are trying to create homeostasis. Your natural test production is like that- yes it “peaks in the morning” but not a big difference.
Try taking 700 mg of tren every 3 days. The peaks are a bear to deal with.
If you are taking low quantities then yes, the difference is minimal.
Saying you want to create homeostasis while on blast makes zero sense.

Because you aren't.

You are trying to take your hormones completely out of homeostasis and minimize or mitigate sides.

High peaks and troughs don't always create the sides. In many cases it's unavoidable.

I am not saying have stable levels. I am saying you want peaks as big as you can get them without your trough being at or below normal.

If you want to pin frequently like this then just use short esters like test prop, npp, tren Ace or even bases/suspensions/esterless.

As for tren, I would never in a million years inject 700mg every 3 days. That's nuts. I have however injected tren e at 800mg once per week. No biggie.

Some people PREFER long or short esters. Don't make your preference appear as fact. You may even find with some work that your tren sides are exasperated by your test dose.
 
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charger69

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Saying you want to create homeostasis while on blast makes zero sense.

Because you aren't.

You are trying to take your hormones completely out of homeostasis and minimize or mitigate sides.

High peaks and troughs don't always create the sides. In many cases it's unavoidable.

I am not saying have stable levels. I am saying you want peaks as big as you can get them without your trough being at or below normal.

If you want to pin frequently like this then just use short esters like test prop, npp, tren Ace or even bases/suspensions/esterless.

As for tren, I would never in a million years inject 700mg every 3 days. That's nuts. I have however injected tren e at 800mg once per week. No biggie.

Some people PREFER long or short esters. Don't make your preference appear as fact. You may even find with some work that your tren sides are exasperated by your test dose.
I agree that homeostasis was not the correct word to get my point across. Also, I guess I didn’t word it correctly. 700 every three days. Whoever can do that is a better man than me. I tried 900 (per week) and was like the walking dead. I turned it down to 700 ( per week) but injected daily.

I guess it is at the point that We agree to disagree. LOL
Most bodybuilders that compete do inject daily. I know some bodybuilders and I also know a trainer that has been trained by pro trainers that inject daily.
Since there really aren’t any studies just on this, it is more of an opinion.
 
PillarofBalance

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I agree that homeostasis was not the correct word to get my point across. Also, I guess I didn’t word it correctly. 700 every three days. Whoever can do that is a better man than me. I tried 900 (per week) and was like the walking dead. I turned it down to 700 ( per week) but injected daily.

I guess it is at the point that We agree to disagree. LOL
Most bodybuilders that compete do inject daily. I know some bodybuilders and I also know a trainer that has been trained by pro trainers that inject daily.
Since there really aren’t any studies just on this, it is more of an opinion.
Rather than agree to disagree let graph it out and let the math dictate the answer.

This is levels when injecting 500mg per week



This is your levels when injecting 166mg every other day

 
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