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Paul Saladino "CarnivoreMD" no longer following Carnivore diets

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I guess he no longer follows a Carnivore diet, nor does he think it is optimal for health. Supposedly he is saying that he came to this conclusion a few years ago, which was also the time he wrote and released his book promoting it. Layne Norton wrote the following on his FB:

My reaction to @paulsaladinomd no longer following the carnivore diets
From @moreplatesmoredates podcast

So first of all I want to credit Paul for changing his mind. Despite our differences & my opinion about his claims, I do want to give credit where credit is due and I will give anyone credit who changes their mind.

That said, this time course doesn’t add up. He said he started experiencing unpleasant symptoms right around the time he would have been finished writing ‘The Carnivore Code’.

So why would you publish this book or at least not make some edits.

Also, Paul did seem VERY convinced during our discussions back in 2018 & 2019 that carbohydrates were a big problem. But now has changed his mind on that. But at the time he seemed extremely convinced. Perhaps, there are other things he was very convinced about that he may be wrong about
He was also a vegan well before being a carnivore. For me from the outside, it appears he seems to oscillate between extreme diets which I don’t think is healthy.

And yes both Paul and I agreed to debate originally on @peterattiamd ‘s podcast, I believe that is still the plan later this year.

Again, I want to give Paul credit where credit is due but I also want to open his mind to the idea that he could have strong convictions about other things (like plants being toxic) that are also wrong.

No shade, just my perspective.

 
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I'm not a radical, but it's pretty hard to ignore the amazing improvement in bloodwork people see when dropping their traditional diet and going carnivore or keto.

At the very least, it tells me that we're better off without any carbs that come out of a box or a bag. And the good carbs, primarily fresh veggies, rice, sweet potato, are just fine is reasonable quantities.

I've eliminated almost all simple sugars, except for special occasions such as birthdays or holidays, and I'm convinced I'm better off.
 
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What about the meat and fruit diet he was going on about even more recently?

I know the term "meat-sweet" is usually the term used to refer to the American diet of high-fat/high-sugar in relation to the risk of diabetes. I wonder exactly how the meat+fruit diet would compare . Bobby Risto did a video a while back on the meat-fruit diet from the perspective of his newfound religion and what Muhammed allegedly ate (mostly meat+fruit, apparently).

When I was at my fittest in 2018, I ate very few grain/starchy carbs, but I ate lots of dairy (which has carbs), very lean meats/low fat and lots of raw vegetables (romaine, green onions, celery, etc). I've just never been convinced that low carb and high fat have to go hand-in-hand.
 
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I've just never been convinced that low carb and high fat have to go hand-in-hand.
I think if you're low carb and low fat, then you're eating a truck-load of protein which can get tough on the gut. The fat also helps me feel more satiated.

If I'm trying to gain lean mass, I think I'm better off with a traditional diet with p/c/f macros around 40/40/20, but when I'm cutting i do better with something like 50/20/30 or 60/10/30. Obviously, in a cut the total calories are what matter, but on reduced calories, the fat in the diet helps me not to feel like I'm starving.
 
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I didn't have an exact formula, but I ate a raw vegetable plate for lunch at least 2 days or so a week and I ate raw cucumbers for breakfast every day since I get 5-10 a day from my garden, so my protein was probably moderated by the amount of meat-free meals I ate. If you assume 3 meals a day X 7 days, that's 21 meals. 9 of them, so just under 50%, were raw vegan.

But I've always eaten a lot of dairy, and even BS breasts and grilled wings have some fat, plus I ate beef 3-4 times a week. So I never intentionally went completely fat-free. I just didn't add any extra fat and generally didn't eat a lot of nuts or avocados.

I used to go to this all-you-can-eat hibachi/Mongolian grill type place and eat 2-3 plates of hibachi beef, bell peppers and onions every Monday as well.
 
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I think Paul and many others go wherever the money takes them. Right now this is the direction.

My personal opinion is you should experiment and eat the way your body looks and feels best eating and not take ANYONE'S word for it. No matter how many "scientific studies" they say they have backing their claims. (Most of those are bullshit bought and paid for by those who stand to make money)You like eating nothing but meat and eggs and that works for you, do it. You feel you have to eat 3 pounds of rice per day to perform in the gym...do that. Eating the standard American diet and doing just fine? Carry on.

Where I have, and have always had a problem is when people try to tell me what works best for MY body because they took a nutrition class in college. And the only reason their way doesn't work for me is because I'm to retarded to count calories. Fuck right off with that shit.
 
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I think if you're low carb and low fat, then you're eating a truck-load of protein which can get tough on the gut. The fat also helps me feel more satiated.

If I'm trying to gain lean mass, I think I'm better off with a traditional diet with p/c/f macros around 40/40/20, but when I'm cutting i do better with something like 50/20/30 or 60/10/30. Obviously, in a cut the total calories are what matter, but on reduced calories, the fat in the diet helps me not to feel like I'm starving.
Total calories matter very little at lest in my experience and that of many thousands of others. They matter...just not to the extent people think.
 
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