Not sure I understand Trump's movement in the polls

[testboner]

This is an easy to prove or disprove theory.

if the Iranians hate the Jews so much they will sacrifice everything important, then why have they not yet sacrificed everything? They are suicidal? Ok, then why not launch everything and the kitchen sink? Just fire all their tens of thousands of missiles and drones? Send their tens of thousands of bomb filled boats out into the gulf? Just make it a day of suicidal death? Why not?? They hate the jews so much they will sacrifice everything? So why haven't they?

The US has this posture BECAUSE THE IRANIANS OVERTHREW THE UNITES STATES PUPPET REGIME in their country. The Unites States for decades drained the Iranian people of their wealth. US companies propped up a puppet regime and the Iranian people were told to grab their ankles. This led to a popular movement to expel the US. The US does not like what it cannot control, so since then the Iranians have been demonized.

As for Israel, they have worked hard to earn the hatred they receive. Like the US imperialists constantly taking what is not theirs, so has Israel. From the land to the sea? Yes, Israel is constantly ejecting Palestinian people from their ancestral lands. This is the driving force of the hate since 1947. Imagine your family lived somewhere and had roots going back a thousand years and then suddenly a bunch of white people from up north had a war, involved you.. And then stabbed you in the back, took your lands, kicked you off of your ancestral lands and then moved in millions of people who then created a apartheid state.

But the nightmare for the Palestinians didn't end there. Every day some new area is taken, arab families ejected into the streets forcefully. Told to keep walking.

The nightmare for these arab people started in 1947 when their homeland was forcefully taken from them and occupied.

All true, sadly.

 

[testboner]

If you live in the place that you think so little of, why do you still live here?

Honest question.

If I was growing up in a house that had the reputation of being the worst house on the block, and I was better than the heads of the household that allowed the house to have that reputation, I’d move out.

Or

I’d concede that there are issues, but I’d be proud of where I’m from and try to be a positive change.

But

I certainly wouldn’t live in the house and talk mad shit about it and everyone in it.

Aren’t there other countries you like more? Why not move?

Because SAD, technically it’s our “house,” our country.

 

[testboner]

Common retort. When your friends were whining about Obama and then Biden why didn't they move? Did you tell them to move?

I plan on moving. So there is your answer to that. Unfortunately my business is located here, so once my family trust is in my name I'll sell the business and move on.

You should watch Youtube video where expats talk about how nice it is to leave the US.

Exactly. Farting out “If you don’t like it then leave” only makes sense when one’s own bigots are the current administration
But hey, I’ll tell you all what; If enough feel strongly enough for me to “leave,” I’ll start a go fund me and if enough $ is donated to fund the relocation and travel expenses, I’ll leave.

 

[testboner]

Trump’s techno-god. We’ll all be saved soon.

 

[SAD]

Common retort. When your friends were whining about Obama and then Biden why didn't they move? Did you tell them to move?

I plan on moving. So there is your answer to that. Unfortunately my business is located here, so once my family trust is in my name I'll sell the business and move on.

You should watch Youtube video where expats talk about how nice it is to leave the US.

I was in the Army when Obama was in office, and while I didn’t vote for him, I just did my job and carried on. It didn’t affect me (repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was a weird time though), and I knew it was only temporary. You seem to see America as historically evil with no chance of redemption and no end in sight, so it’s very different. Why move when the president will change in a period of time? But why stay if the real evil of America will never change?

I have a few friends I served with who live overseas (or Central/South America), and I’ve been tempted because the dollar goes so far depending on where you are. But I wouldn’t go because I think that America is the devil and cheaper countries are somehow superior. The superior countries I’ve been to are anything but affordable. Switzerland, Sweden, Iceland, New Zealand…all on the short list of places I’d love to live.

But my point at the end of all this, is to say that I think your hatred of America as a whole, makes you offensive to a real patriot. I know Vietnam vets who went through absolute hell for years, then got shit on by the people, and kicked while down by the VA for decades…and they STILL love America and are proud to live here.

Okay, I’m done.
So where are you headed?!

 

[SAD]

Because SAD, technically it’s our “house,” our country.

Exactly. I’m not telling anyone to leave the country because they hate Trump or think government is the enemy or take dbol-only cycles. I’m saying that if you DON’T see this as “our” house, and you think the entire country is fucked and always has been and won’t change…then why stay?

I haven’t heard any solutions that I can remember, or at least ones that THIS country prevails in. I’ve heard a lot about how horrible we are and how Iran should nuke everyone and teach us a lesson, and how Russia really trustworthy and amazing compared to us.

Lastly, I didn’t quote anyone because it was semi-general in its application, but I DID indeed intend fasttwitch to receive the “brunt” of it. I have to say, I’ve mellowed out a lot in my approach since my 20s.

 

[fasttwitch]

I was in the Army when Obama was in office, and while I didn’t vote for him, I just did my job and carried on. It didn’t affect me (repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was a weird time though), and I knew it was only temporary. You seem to see America as historically evil with no chance of redemption and no end in sight, so it’s very different. Why move when the president will change in a period of time? But why stay if the real evil of America will never change?

I have a few friends I served with who live overseas (or Central/South America), and I’ve been tempted because the dollar goes so far depending on where you are. But I wouldn’t go because I think that America is the devil and cheaper countries are somehow superior. The superior countries I’ve been to are anything but affordable. Switzerland, Sweden, Iceland, New Zealand…all on the short list of places I’d love to live.

But my point at the end of all this, is to say that I think your hatred of America as a whole, makes you offensive to a real patriot. I know Vietnam vets who went through absolute hell for years, then got shit on by the people, and kicked while down by the VA for decades…and they STILL love America and are proud to live here.

Okay, I’m done.
So where are you headed?!

We have a different view of the world. All I see is corrupt power structures everywhere. Powerful people and institutions shitting on average people. There are no good people in power. Just self serving people. Institutions are built by self serving people who falsely use high minded platitudes.

I feel a sense of shame for joining.. At the time I was young and stupid and 18 and thought the USA meant something. But it doesn't . It is a BS dream cooked up by the establishment. Just like EVERY OTHER country on earth who also thinks that they are God's gift to the world. If I knew then what I know now I would not have joined the Air Force. I helped murder millions of innocent people.

America is a dream that does not exist in reality. Where would I go, not sure. Probably I'll keep moving until I find a place that is the least offensive.

I wish I could sit complacently and be happy.. But the world is a Machiavellian nightmare.

 

[Littleguy]

I have a silly question, how many of you cats that are "experts" on the middle East and their people and politics have ever been there and lived among these cultures?
Or is it all "book learnin"?

 

[fasttwitch]

I have a silly question, how many of you cats that are "experts" on the middle East and their people and politics have ever been there and lived among these cultures?
Or is it all "book learnin"?

I learn from people who have a mixture of aptitudes. Some military, some academic, one is a historian, one is an ex CIA spook.. A mixture of various people.

One thing I DO NOT DO is only listen to one opinion or worldview. Like 99% of Americans do.

 

[testboner]

I have a silly question, how many of you cats that are "experts" on the middle East and their people and politics have ever been there and lived among these cultures?
Or is it all "book learnin"?

I’ve been to Iran (Tehran) and Israel. Middle Eastern is not my fave but the persians in particular were cool, friendly. Some BIG ass bodybuilders, and some very sexy women! I dated / hooked up with a couple persian girls over the years, and those cat eyes looking up at you while going down….. HEAVENLY!
Cultural Jews however, generalizing, are not a pleasant sort (to me personally).

 

[testboner]

I don't know how old that tweet is, but I'm not aware of any US bases presently in Afghanistan along Iran's east coast, or the number of US bases presently in Iraq along Iran's west coast.

Was the U.S. staging terrorist attacks on Iranian infrastructure and civilian population at any time? Please.

We can certainly agree that the US footprint over there can and has decreased. But Iran's behavior in the Middle East has nothing to do with any US presence over there. It hates Israel because that's where the Jews are. The Iranian regime is a bunch of anti-semetic, psycho, Islamo death cultists. They hate Jews more than they love their own children, and thus are happy to have their children live in a dump while Iran's resources go toward destroying Israel.

"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is. Revolution is when you figure it out for yourself"

 

[Heady Muscle]