Non Responder a real thing ?

[barbellbeast]

Good Read. I've always thought my liver was pretty stressed...I had read stress that bodybuilders put on their kidneys was mainly from blood pressure rather than protein, but worth getting a check up to see what is going on under the hood and why gains are nil.

 

[Push50]

Sorry to hear that your gains aren’t there bro!
As others have said, if you want to get BIG you have to eat BIG. You don’t mention how old or young you are but let’s put a little perspective on this. Based on 6’ at 230lbs if you are between 25-30 years old your RDI is 4300-4400 calories a day with an active life style just to maintain your weight. Your only taking in around 4030 so you are still running a caloric deficit. Your not going to gain weight. As for the gear if strength is up and you are leaning out with more vascularity and looking more muscular chances are it all diet.
I’m a hard gainer myself. 52y/o 5’6”. Currently I’m taking in 4300 calories a day and went from 175 at Thanksgiving to 195 today and dropped BF from 19-12%. My RDI is 3300 so I’m 1000 over my RDI. I also know my body and if I want to push up to 210 I would have to go to almost 2500 over my RDI. Eat BIG Get BIG

 

[SAD]

Sorry to hear that your gains aren’t there bro!
As others have said, if you want to get BIG you have to eat BIG. You don’t mention how old or young you are but let’s put a little perspective on this. Based on 6’ at 230lbs if you are between 25-30 years old your RDI is 4300-4400 calories a day with an active life style just to maintain your weight. Your only taking in around 4030 so you are still running a caloric deficit. Your not going to gain weight. As for the gear if strength is up and you are leaning out with more vascularity and looking more muscular chances are it all diet.
I’m a hard gainer myself. 52y/o 5’6”. Currently I’m taking in 4300 calories a day and went from 175 at Thanksgiving to 195 today and dropped BF from 19-12%. My RDI is 3300 so I’m 1000 over my RDI. I also know my body and if I want to push up to 210 I would have to go to almost 2500 over my RDI. Eat BIG Get BIG

You lost 15 pounds of fat and gained 20 pounds of muscle in 2 months?

 

[Push50]

Sorry bro! That should have been 19-16%. I lost appx 5-5.5lbs/bf and gained about 20-25 lbs in muscle mass.

 

[SAD]

Sorry bro! That should have been 19-16%. I lost appx 5-5.5lbs/bf and gained about 20-25 lbs in muscle mass.

Jesus. Helluva cycle and rebound. Cheers.

 

[Meathead.]

Thanks for all the advises

Going to switch the diet and gear up a little and see what can be done. I'm in my mid 30s.

I am very focused on overall wellness when I train for a show so I take a ton of otc supps for my health to ensure it stays in a good place

 

[sityslicker1]

He s getting over 5000 calories per day. That's a fuck load of food even at 230lbs. I'd hate to be the guy to tell you to to add more drugs, but I'd increase the amount or freq. of insulin.

 

[Meathead.]

He s getting over 5000 calories per day. That's a fuck load of food even at 230lbs. I'd hate to be the guy to tell you to to add more drugs, but I'd increase the amount or freq. of insulin.

Exactly. Plenty of food.
We just dropped the slin. Only 11 weeks till contest unfortunately need to get leaner , switched labs too, no differences yet in the 8 days it's been.

I'll Update as things change.

My body type may just need more more more food .. 5000 isn't enough to grow, up my doses perhaps .. going to add more Test .. my libido sucks

 

[Shekelstein p.]

I am have severe issues grow and it's
quite frustrating ... wondering if I am a non responder or if gear is under dosed or fake but unlikely ...

I stand 6' 230lbs but based on what I've been doing for 3 months one would expect me to be walking around 250lbs

Test Cyp 600mg weekly
NPP 600mg weekly
EQ 800mg weekly
HGH 4ius daily
Novolin-R 5ius in AM (3 days a week)
Humalog pre 8iu and 6iu post (3 days a week)
Ghrp2 200mcg 2x daily (3 days a week)
Aromasin 12.5mg daily


I am training 5-6 days per week, muscle groups, for about 90 minutes , high volume

Cardio only a few days a week 15-20 min steady state

Diet is approx 400g Protein, 750g Carbs, 60-70g Fat

Plenty of food One would think ...

Thoughts ? Advice ? Is it really just eating more or would gear be the issue here given I'm still consuming a lot

What was your weight prior to start.

 

[Meathead.]

What was your weight prior to start.

About the same. I've seen a good recomp for sure but I was really expecting to GROW.

I'm switching compounds out tomorrow to see what will happen

Instead of test EQ NPP
Going with test EQ Tren and anavar

 

[gunslinger]

I don't personally believe in this mythical non-responder. Either your gear works or its shit. If you eat better and more you will get more out of it. The more you take to an extent the better the results but it works or its shit. Maybe it takes 500mg for one guy and 750 for another all else being the same. But if you are megadosing 2 or more compounds and not getting much from it your gear is fake or severely underdosed. Non-responder, diet, receptors, etc. are all shit you hear from scammers on OLM 10 years ago...lol

Give me one of these so called non-responders and let me put him on 500mg per week of pharm grade test, 400 deca and some pink 5's and watch magic happen. This would put slabs of mass on a fucking dying aids patient. If its not working it's the gear.