Nandrolone PhenylPropionate (NPP) Breakdown

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  1. guss

    guss MuscleHead

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    NPP was never really all that popular simply because of availability issues. Many of the pharmacy grade NPP products range between 25mg-50mg/ml and are extremely expensive. Naturally, this limited its use among the bodybuilding crowd. Mexico and the underground did not bother producing it.

    The recent increase in popularity of NPP can be attributed to the introduction of BM’s Dubol-100; the first affordable pharmacy grade 100mg/ml NPP. Eventually, more and more Underground Labs started producing the forgotten drug.

    PhenylProp vs Decanoate

    Here is some interesting information from Andy13:

    “Let's calculate the amount accumulated in the body after 6 weeks of 500mg/deca. Let's say you inject it once a week and we'll give it a 1.5-week half-life. Note that injection frequency makes a huge difference in blood concentration stability but no difference in amount of esterified in the system

    E (greek letter "sigma") 500*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) from n=0 to n=6. So after 6 weeks, about 1300mg of esterified nandrolone remain in the body.

    Now lets see how long, after the initial injection, it takes to reduce to a small enough amount that permits recovery.

    1300*e^(ln(1/2)n/1.5) After 3 weeks, 325 mg of esterified remain

    after 6 weeks, 81 mg of esterified remain.

    After 8 weeks, 32mg of esterified remain.”

    Nandrolone Decanoate is a long acting depot; it takes quite a while for it to “kick in” and clear out of the system. Depending on how much is used; it will take at least 4-6 weeks after the last shot for Deca to clear out. It also takes about 4 weeks for active blood levels to stabilize. This can easily add up to 8-10 weeks of “dead time” i.e. periods of time when blood levels are not consistent. These numbers apply to reasonable use of Nandrolone Decanoate; between 200-400mg a week. The more you use, the worst it gets. So a 10-week cycle of Deca can easily end up been a 16-week cycle when you account for clearance time (active blood levels). The first 4 weeks are also somewhat of a waste of time.

    So that 10-week cycle ends up been 16 weeks; 6 weeks of optimal blood levels and 10 weeks of dead time. Not a very effective way to cycle.

    With NPP, you can bypass all that dead time.
    19-Nortestosterone based drugs are known to shutdown HPTA very easily - think Trenbolone. Most bodybuilders will use Tren for around 6 weeks at the beginning of a cycle. NPP should be used in a similar manner.

    Here’s an example of a balanced cycle consisting of NPP

    W1-6: Dbol
    W1-6: NPP
    W1-8: Test Prop

    It is a good idea to run Test 2 weeks past the NPP, however; NPP can be used as a stand-alone.

    Earlier, I compared NPP to Tren. They are similar in some ways but Tren is much more androgenic and stronger in general.

    NPP shares some of the same sides associated with Deca (they are after all the same base compound). It should be noted that most of the sides that come with Deca are a result of its long ester. Decanoate ester is very hard to control and Nandrolone side effects are not easily countered like Testosterone related sides (Tamoxifen, anastrozole, finasteride…)

    Overall, Nandrolone is a milder compound than Testosterone and is better mg for mg (but that’s a matter of opinion)

    Nandrolone PhenylProp should be injected at least every 3 days. A typical dose is 350mg-700mg a week for 5-8 weeks.

    It stacks very well with Winstrol, Dbol, Test, EQ, Anavar

    It does not stack well with Tren and especially Anadrol

    Here are some good cycle suggestions:

    Fast Acting Classic Test/Deca/Dbol cycle:

    W1-6: Dbol 30mg ED
    W1-6: NPP 150mg EOD
    W1-8: Test Prop 150mg EOD

    Highly Anabolic cycles

    W1-6: NPP: 200mg E3D
    W1-8: Anavar: 30mg ED

    W1-6: NPP: 200mg E3D
    W1-8: Winny: 50mg ED

    A good First cycle:

    W1-6: NPP: 150mg E3D
    W1-4: Dbol: 25mg ED
    (W5-8: Anavar: 30mg ED - optional)

    NPP in a typical cycle

    W1-10: EQ 400mg a week
    W1-9: Test Cyp 600mg a week
    W1-8: NPP 200mg E3D
    W10-13: Test Prop 150mg EOD

    Nandrolone got a very bad rap with many bodybuilders; there is no reason to use Nandrolone Decanoate if NPP available aside from year-round juicer using it for joint pain. Nandrolone is a tremendous bodybuilding drug that can take your physique to a whole different level but many people shy away from it because of what they have heard or experienced with Deca.
     
  2. Get Some

    Get Some VIP Member

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    who wrote this? I don't like that this person suggests an NPP cycle with winstrol and no test. But, that is a matter of opinion
     
  3. ajdos

    ajdos MuscleHead

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    I like NPP I like running it the first 4-5 weeks while running deca then dropping it out after much like test prop when running Test e or c.
     
  4. Get Some

    Get Some VIP Member

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    Ya, it's exactly like that. I choose shorter cycles so run NPP exclusively with no Deca, but it can be a good starter to a Deca cycle for sure. An awesome short cycle is 8 weeks of TPP and NPP. It's the perfect short cycle bulking combo.
     
  5. Rein

    Rein VIP Member

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    And d-bol of course! :D
     
  6. bm2006

    bm2006 Member

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    i like npp i've never tried running it while i'm waiting for the deca to kick in but i think i'll give it a try
     
  7. cyto33

    cyto33 MuscleHead

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    I use NPP here and there and i lik ethe effects but to run this as a stand alone i dont agree with that.
    but what some people do is they experiment just as i have myself.
    and i never really seen the side by side comparison in that artical. but it is early in the morning yet.
     
  8. bm2006

    bm2006 Member

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    yeah no test no cycle
     
  9. deadweight

    deadweight MuscleHead

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    npp is the shit.....only bad down fall to npp.....you lose the effect as quick as u gain from it...and after the 4 week you level off on it so you have to up the dose of drop it.....And ive used atleast 80 bottles of the shit in my life time....so i know........dw
     
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  10. Get Some

    Get Some VIP Member

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    Good thoughts from a solid Vet with personal experience, nice post!
     

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