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Wilson6

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I was Dx with hypogonadism in the early 90's, total was 189, had gyno that needed surgical removal on the left side. Was put on TC, 200 mg/2 wk, the standard back then. Worsened the residual gyno, asked my doc to try Deca. Switched to that 200 mg/2wk and a low dose of HCG 350 IU 2x/wk. Ran that from 1995 until 2005 when HCT and iron was really getting high. Low dose in today's world but I was about 250 at 10% body fat, it worked very well. No issues with ED or anything else. Had we known more then, simple phlebos would have taken care of the HCT and Fe. Was put on Testim instead, that didn't do shit even at 2 tubes a day that was very expensive and still had elevated HCT over time. Ultimately went back to TC 100 mg 3-4 d, get regular phlebos along with 500 IU HCT 2x/wk. No issues at this time. Interestingly in my younger years I was more prone to elevated E than I am now. Have considered adding some deca for joints, at age 62 I'm a mess, but Deca used to blow me up a little along with BP, don't need those issues now and ED is more of a problem, even considered a little masteron E for libido with the T. Everyone is different, I grew like a weed on a low dose of Deca that others probably wouldn't even notice an effect.
 
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I feel like you said it all in your first post Vette, but maybe I just read between the lines that contained the words that answered the questions a little better...

My honest opinion is that you should try it and see. Easy way out as far as an answer goes, but you already have a buddy who swears by it, you know that there is a group of guys that do run deca with trt and swear by it (@BrotherIron ) , and you’re smart and know what to look out for.

I’m very interested in your experience because the years of powerlifting have ruined some of my joints.
For me, it's made a world of difference but I also continue to train for strength so my joints have decades of wear and tear. I also don't feel like this masks the pain but in fact, helps the joint. I only have empirical evidence but even just 100mg/wk made enough of a difference for me to keep lifting pain-free.
 
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956Vette

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Lab results from earlier this month were shocking. 7 days prior to blood draw, dosed 250mg deca w/ 50mg test cyp. Before that, had been treating myself often to a pre-workout slin pin containing, ~10mg test prop, 50mg masteron & 80mg deca. Told the doctor about some off the record deca usage, please help cover my ass gentlemen!
 

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Ryan Braun (2011 NL MVP) claimed his samples were stored incorrectly. Could always try that.

Seriously, if you doctor already knew, what are you afraid of? He's not going to report you to the po-po.
 
Tuffoldman

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In my opinion, which means very little factually compared to the knowledge most of you guys have, is give it a try and see what happens.


People talk about Deca dick and I use Deca many years ago all the time never ever had any issues and I ran Deca by itself 12 weeks at a time 300mg per week with zero issues. My joints felt better, I felt stronger, and the only side effect was I was bloated and had the occasional nipple pain.

I stopped using deca after reading a few article saying that it causes hardening of the arteries I don't know how true that is but being that I started trt when I was 37 years old but had done Deca for about a year or so prior to going on weekly shots of testosterone.

I have been doing testosterone weekly shots for the last 16 years. The only thing that I've changed recently is I do daily transdermal Tren at 75 mg per day and feel great. I cycle once or twice a year bumping my testosterone dosing 600mg a week plus Tren and Mast.

I'm always interested in different protocols not that I'm doing terribly just on testosterone but I have really bad joint pain and a half for many many years so I'd love to hear how your protocol works out
 
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956Vette

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Ryan Braun (2011 NL MVP) claimed his samples were stored incorrectly. Could always try that.

Seriously, if you doctor already knew, what are you afraid of? He's not going to report you to the po-po.
Lol, no real stress. Largely embarrassed and feeling out of tune...was predicting/hoping my total testosterone to be low-normal.

However, given the lab results, it's apparent I was going full bore. Prepared to admit to more than just deca was on the menu this summer.

No wonder I have been dosing 20mg nolvadex daily, eek. Continue to learn by mistake, almost exclusively! :D
 
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956Vette

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Anabolics distributor tells me I continue to make mistakes with testosterone. Shares I need to man up & commit to a 1000-1200mg deca dosage (and do my damnedest to avoid testosterone entirely).
 
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Wilson6

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Lab results from earlier this month were shocking. 7 days prior to blood draw, dosed 250mg deca w/ 50mg test cyp. Before that, had been treating myself often to a pre-workout slin pin containing, ~10mg test prop, 50mg masteron & 80mg deca. Told the doctor about some off the record deca usage, please help cover my ass gentlemen!
Have them measure your testosterone using the LC/MS/MS method, there is no cross reactivity issues. Regular assays will cross react with Deca and give you a significantly elevated value. Have them just check E2 (estradiol) that's what really matters, less affected by Deca. See what the results are, then decide what to say. We use Walk-In-Labs. https://www.walkinlab.com/products/view/testosterone-free-direct-serum-test-with-total-testosterone and https://www.walkinlab.com/products/view/estradiol-blood-test turn around is several days. No script needed.
 
rawdeal

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I think(?) PrivateMDLabs is the one I usually see mentioned on the boards. It's the one I've used, I've always been satisfied, BUT ... if you live in NY, NJ, MA, MD, or RI, you're SOL, they can't deal with you.

This will only benefit a few people, but the Lab W6 mentions is (a little) more flexible. If you opt for the generally more expensive LabCorp, you're still SOL for the same 5 States, but Walk-In-Labs will do business with MA and MD if you choose Quest for your order.

Nice to have another online place to consider, and especially nice for MA, MD.
 
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956Vette

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Thank you Wilson & RD! Doctor was understanding of my recent polypharma experience. In May, it hadn't been disclosed, however doctor took labs (I was told I was only afforded a basic chem profile). In May, total T was at 1k, total estrogen was 5700. Plan is to dose the hell out of arimidex and draw blood in a month. Not thrilled about it.
 
SAD

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Damn Vette, I had to read the total E and the acceptable range multiple times to ensure I wasn’t putting a decimal in the wrong spot.

How do you feel? Seriously, obviously you aren’t growing tits or you’d have known it was out of control, so were/are there any other sides you could feel related to the estro?

Overly emotional?
Dick issues?
Water retention?

I’ve had zero symptoms of high E even during pretty heavy cycles back in the day. Never had gyno or symptoms of high E. But I’m sure it was through the roof. Just curious. Thanks in advance.
 
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956Vette

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Damn Vette, I had to read the total E and the acceptable range multiple times to ensure I wasn’t putting a decimal in the wrong spot.

How do you feel? Seriously, obviously you aren’t growing tits or you’d have known it was out of control, so were/are there any other sides you could feel related to the estro?

Overly emotional?
Dick issues?
Water retention?

I’ve had zero symptoms of high E even during pretty heavy cycles back in the day. Never had gyno or symptoms of high E. But I’m sure it was through the roof. Just curious. Thanks in advance.
Great questions SAD, appreciated. Been feeling surprisingly well as of late on high af estrogen. When total estrogen approached 6k, I did experience uncomfortable nips...reached for aromasin & doubled up on nolvadex to calm down. Emotionally, I have felt stable...very seldom getting irritated/short temper. Dick issues indeed popped up, I assumed they're standard issue deca related complications...increased testosterone intake to combat, added cialis and melanotan 2 on occasion as well. Definitely holding water/bloat as I have added 30-40lbs this year (coming back from a spine injury).

Dosing 1mg adex, 20mg nolv, .25mg cab (couple times/week). Dosed 10mg test prop w/ 80mg masteron today, because I'm a junky.
 
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