I agree with AnabolicState. I had really good results from it as far as strength, size and even cut a lot of body fat on it. Post Cycle was no fun at all, pretty harsh sides for me and I ran torem with all the usual assist products and was still maintaining my diet and protein intake and hitting the gym just as hard. I had a lot of lethargy, bloatedness, lost a lot of strength and size and had some lower back pumps. I feel this product has great potential for some people, as I did have great results while on, it's just so toxic and harsh that it's hard to combat the negative effects. Maybe stacking with epi might help, but then again theres increased stress on your liver and internal organs. Look into Powerdrol-10 by vital labs