Make capsules from powders? is it possible?

Discussion in 'Chemical Conversion Discussion' started by Harold, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. SFGiants

    SFGiants MuscleHead

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    Mix with water!

    With Ora Blend a mix of plus and sweat I can go 10ml water per 50ml but with only Plus you can go with 20ml water per 50ml, It helps to mix powder and water 1st and shake the crap out of it then add the Ora little by little shaking each time.

    I use to make 200ml at a once in a media bottle now I just make 50ml at a time even if I need 6 of them.

    Sorry it took so long to answer I haven't been around here much lately and just saw this!
     
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  2. ddfra

    ddfra New Member

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    Your absolutely right. Bought mine off amazon works great and capping sucks.
     
  3. SFGiants

    SFGiants MuscleHead

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    Ora Plus will change the way Orals are made.

    Beside tabs, caps and alcohol base orals will die be the wayside.

    With Ora Plus it's a simple as measure shake done!
     
  4. SAD

    SAD TID Board Of Directors

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    Tabs and caps will never be extinct because of the ease of transport. If I want to take just a couple doses with me throughout the day, I can throw them in a bag and I'm good to go. But with liquid orals, it's not quite that simple, OR PRECISE.

    OraBlend has its place, but it will never replace anything because everything else has its place as well.
     
  5. Harold

    Harold Member

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    I have 50gr winy powders and some size 0 capsules.
    So How I must do to find how quantity filler I need?

    I want to make 5000 capsules 10mg each.
    So I think I need:

    5000 caps 10mg=50000mg=50gr winy=0.5kg


    help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. ddfra

    ddfra New Member

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    I will follow this article with another one about how to properly weigh and to properly mix the anabolic steroid or Supplement powders together. I know the first one deals with weighing the anabolic steroid powders, but the mixing the supplement powders is just as important!
    Although there are easier methods out there when it comes to capping oral Supplements or Steroid powders that produce results that are somewhat less than accurate. I (SV-1) decided to write this article to show you step by step how to produce capsules with a high level of accuracy. Credit goes to AnabolicMaster, ColdStone and Lozgod who helped make this possible.

    Things you will need to make your Supplement capsules.

    1. A capping device and empty gel caps. The two most popular capping devices are the "Cap-M-Quick" and "The Capsule Machine". The cap-m-quick does 50 caps at a time but you have to manually join the caps by hand. The capsule machine only does 24 caps at a time but automatically joins them for you. Both of these devices can be purchased to use either size "0" or "00" caps (size "0" caps are smaller than size "00"). I prefer the capsule machine and size "0" caps, but either device in either size is fine.

    2. A scale to weigh the powders you'll be using to make your caps. I recommend either the Palmscale 5.0 which is accurate to 0.1g and has a capacity of 200g (cost approx $60), or the GemPro-50 which is accurate to 0.002g and has a capacity of 10g (cost approx $150).

    3. The powdered version of the supplement or steroid compound that you plan on capping. Oral steroid compounds such as Anavar, DNP, Clomid, Dbol, Nolva and Winny make good capping choices. However compounds such as Clen, T3, Femara and Arimidex should never be capped because of their small dose amounts and the inherent inaccuracies of the capping process.

    4. A powdered filler that will be used to take up the space in the caps that the active compound doesn't. Almost anything can be used as a filler, Protein Powder, Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate), Corn Starch, Flour, Creatine, Lactose, Glutamine, etc.

    5. A mortar and pestle to thoroughly mix the active compound and filler together. Many compounding pharmacies use a mortar and pestle to mix their ingredients together for capping and if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me.
    Now that we have everything necessary to make our caps here's how we do it. For the example below I'll use the capsule machine to make 48 caps with 100mg of Aspirin (active compound) and Baking Soda (filler).

    1. Load 24 empty caps into the capsule machine, then fill all 24 caps with Baking Soda (tamping powder if final caps will be tamped).

    2. Empty all the Baking Soda out of the capsule machine and weigh it. Total weight = 17,160mg

    3. Divide that weight (17,160mg) by the number of capsules (24) to get the total weight per cap. 17,160mg / 24 = 715mg a cap.

    4. Repeat these steps with the Aspirin powder. Total weight = 11,760mg / 24 = 490mg a cap.

    5. Now we need to figure out the ratio of Aspirin to Baking Soda.

    100mg Aspirin = Unknown mg of Baking Soda

    490mg Aspirin = 715mg Baking Soda
    (100mg Aspirin x 715mg Baking Soda) / 490mg Aspirin = 146mg of Baking Soda (this is the Unknown mg of Baking Soda, and how much must be removed to make space for 100mg of Aspirin)
    715mg Baking Soda - 146mg = 569mg Baking Soda (this is how much Baking Soda to use per cap)
    569mg Baking Soda x 48 caps = 27,312mg Baking Soda

    100mg Aspirin x 48 caps = 4800mg Aspirin

    So to make 48 100mg Aspirin caps we need 4800mg of Aspirin powder and 27,312mg of Baking Soda.
    This is where the simpler methods fail and give inaccurate results. As the chart below shows, different compounds (like Aspirin and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)) weigh different amounts for the same volume. If we had simply subtracted 100mg from the Baking Soda we would not have had properly dosed caps, because to fit in 100mg of Aspirin we needed to subtract 146mg of Baking Soda.

    Now that we know how much active compound and filler to use (Aspirin and Baking Soda) we need to mix them together. To do this we'll use a mortar and pestle with the geometric dilution method, which was introduced to me by pharmguy24 on AU. What's the geometric dilution method you ask? It's a method used when a small amount of powder needs to be *thoroughly* mixed with a larger amount of powder. To do this you mix all of the smaller powder with an approximately equal amount of the larger powder, this blend is called "mix 1". Then combine all of your "mix 1" with an equal amount of the larger powder and blend again, this is "mix 2". Keep going like this until all the powders have been mixed together.

    So we place all of the Aspirin powder (the smaller amount of the two different powders) in the mortar and add an equal amount of the Baking Soda (approximately 4800mg), then blend them together with the pestle for a couple of minutes. This combination is our mix 1, and it is now 9600mg (4800mg Aspirin + 4800mg Baking Soda). After it's been blended for a few minutes add an equal amount of Baking Soda (9800mg) to your mix 1 and blend for a couple more minutes. This combination is our mix 2 and is 19,200mg (9800mg from mix 1 + 9800mg Baking Soda). After it's been blended for a few minutes add the remaining Baking Soda (12912mg) to your mix 2 and blend for a couple more minutes.

    Why go to this extra trouble? Because even though we know the amounts of Aspirin and Baking Soda we're using are dead on, our caps will not be dosed properly if the powders are not mixed together very thoroughly.
    Now we're ready to make our caps.

    1. Load both the base and top of the capsule machine with the empty gel caps (the bottom should already be loaded from weighing the powder for mixing).

    2. Place the base on its stand and pour the mixed powder over the empty caps, then spread it around using the supplied plastic card so all the caps are filled.

    2a. Optional: At this point you can tamp the powder down and add more powder to the caps increasing the amount they can hold. But because what we want to cap fits fine without doing that we didn't calculate for it and wont be doing it.

    3. Attach the top of the capsule machine (which contains the other halves of the caps) to the base.

    4. Remove the capsule machine from its stand and press it down on your work surface applying even pressure to join the caps.

    5. Remove the top from the capsule machine and press against the spring loaded plate on its back to eject the finished caps.

    6. Repeat these steps until all your caps are made.
    Follow these guidelines and you too can make your own accurately dosed caps.
    by SV-1
     
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  7. silntrunin

    silntrunin VIP Member

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    Thanks for the post brother. Just what I needed at the right time.
     
  8. PEZ

    PEZ Member

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    Look up "geometric folding" and see how compounding pharmacies do it. Ideally one would use size "4" caps. In USA a capsule machine that does them RIGHT costs about $900-$1000. I would just make liquids myself.
     
  9. aragorn1500

    aragorn1500 VIP Member

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    SFGiants, how do you know how much of each ingredient to put in?
    For example how Ora Plus, how much powder?

    Thanks for the great idea.
     
  10. Usealittle

    Usealittle VIP Member

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    Also if you where to use Ora plus, what's the max if will hold in 1cc? Liquid seem much easier then makin caps.... WAY less bullshit.
     
  11. NameLess

    NameLess Member

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    I also started with 00 caps but it becomes more of a crap shoot. Now I use size 1 and I find it easier and more accurate. Also uses less filler and is faster.
     
  12. klbsa

    klbsa VIP Member

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    I have lots of experience in the past with this and posted a how to guide years ago on mesorx...

    Here is a copy and paste of it.....

    When it comes to powders the hard part is being able to measure it properly to ensure even dosing per cap or simply the right dose per cap. Also, carrying around a bottle of liquid steroids isn't always going to be an option. Not to mention that some powders are resistant to dissolving in everclear (as I have learned).

    It is really important to get a mini measuring spoon set that has both 1/32 tsp and 1/64 ion tsp sizes, like the set here: [ame="http://cgi.ebay.com/Norpo-MINI-MEAS...all_Kitchen_Appliances_US&hash=item335a0c1ddc"]Mini Measuring Spoon Set[/ame]

    The smallest spoon is 1/64 of a teaspoon, this means if you weigh out a teaspoon of each powder on a scale you can do the math. Most of the powders weigh different per teaspoon. I have already done the math and using the smallest spoon with the powders I have and this is what you get per level 1/64 spoon of each powder:

    dbol - 42mg
    clomid - 50mg (perfect per cap)
    anadrol - 39mg
    winstrol - 31mg(perfect per cap)
    viagra - 50mg(perfect per cap)

    Obviously 42mg per dbol is too much and 39mgs x 2 is too much (or maybe not if you are an animal) to measure out per anadrol cap. trying to eye out a half of a spoonful to get better measurements is too hard not to mention time consuming so I came up with a novel idea to help out with that problem.

    I went to the Home Depot and got a tube of plumbers 5 min two part epoxy putty kneaded some together and filled in the 1/32 tsp size spoon and the 1/64 size leveled them off with a knife. Then what i did is cut out 1/2 of the putty from each spoon before the epoxy set and viola! now I have a spoon that can be used to get 1/2 the measurements listed above and still have a spoon that matches them for the ones that are already good for pill dosing.

    Now I can make dbol caps at 21mg each and can measure out (using the modified small spoon) 19.5mg sccops of anadrol x 3 scoops to make 58.5 mg anadrol caps.

    I still do it the old fashioned way and open up each 500 mg glutamine capsules and add the powder manually. However you do it just keep your old supplement pill bottles and you can carry your new caps with you and no one will be the wiser even cops.

    My buddy has taken it a step further and used different supplements that compliment each type of drug better. For instance he puts his winstrol powder in with caps of glucosamine/chondroitin and msm to help out with the sore joint problem caused by winstrol.

    You could mix the anadrol with supplements made to help out your liver etc.... Just use your imagination. As long as the caps you use are white to begin with its virtually impossible to tell that they are modified.
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2015

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