I think most of the people who responded mis-understood my post.
I don't use machines much because I'm a powerlifter so most of what I do I use barbells, but I am not against them.
I'm against the HIGHLY LEVERAGED ones that allow people to lift obscene amounts of weight just because of physics.
I see guys loading up 5 plates a side on leverage shoulder press machines. 99% of these dudes couldn't do a seated shoulder press with 2 plates on each end of a barbell, let alone 5. It's silly.
For those that replied and said the weight doesn't matter, why wouldn't you then want something that had 'reverse' leverage, so you could get the same resistance with less plates to load?
I used to love the Hammer Strength seated row, but the thing was so leveraged I could max the pegs with 6 plates per side and it's just silly. I liked the movement but hated having to round up 12 plates to get the job done and then unload them all and put them away when done.
One of my gyms has a reverse leveraged t-bar row. Takes some pretty good strength to get much beyond 2 plates on the thing when doing a full and proper range of motion. Anytime I've seen 3 plates or more on it the R.O.M. was laughable. No one harldy every uses it. I wonder why?
Maybe the newest Hoist machines require a ton of plates to achieve the same effect as Hammer Strength. I don't know. I used them in a Gold's Gym a few years ago and loved them. I'm about 6'3" and 245lbs. and definitely couldn't max them out. I was pleasantly surprised though with how they actuated and made me feel. I definitely miss having them available. Also, maybe I'm weak as fuck.
I chased numbers for the 1st 20yrs. I never had a Bench Press but Squats and Deads were 550+. At 49yrs old I'm surviving with Bodybuilding. If I had kept at the numbers game I'd be out of the gym with injuries forever.
I understand you Mike. 27 years competing and chasing records (my own) and only caring about how much I can lift one time. I am glad I did it, but I have a room full of trophies and a few surgeries to remind me of it all. I am just happy now still being in the gym lifting. 20 reps 12 reps, 6 reps, as long as I keep growing and looking like I lift is good. It has gotten easier over the years to not look over at the other people in the gym and see if they do more than I do. When someone asks me how much I bench, I have no problem saying I don't know. 63 years old and still going 5 days a week.
I hear you CJt I hate having to load on a bunch of plates and have gotten to be a typical gym asshole and just leave the after I am done. Hell, everyone else does.
you guys crack me up....But yes Hoist has a new Rock iT line and yes it can get goofy with the leverage ......also Life Fitness has a plate loaded should press that i warm up with 3 -45s on each side.....so yes that one is comical .
There are also videos of skinny guys pressing huge amount of weights on certain Hammer Strength chest press.