Largest Hospital System In N.Y. Drops Obamacare Plans Citing Major Losses

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  1. arnoldblack

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  2. Dangling Unit

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    Everyone wants to fix the ACA, but no one wants to fix the real issue of the contracts and billing between MD's, hospitals, and insurance companies. If we had a good President, which Trump is far from, s/he would fix that and lower insurance costs would follow suit.
     
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  3. DungeonDweller

    DungeonDweller Senior Member

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    No the real issue is the government shouldn't have its slimy hands anywhere near healthcare. Stick to enforcing the law and international diplomacy.
     
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  4. Lizard King

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    This was an ACA plan administered by Northwell, they are not pulling out of accepting all ACA plans, they are just not going to admin their own any longer.
    ACA plans are shittier than Medicaid, at least Medicaid pays you, you know the rules and what you are getting/not getting paid for.
     
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  5. Dangling Unit

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    The government does need some involvement with healthcare, otherwise there would be no regulations such as licensing and medication testing.
     
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  6. DungeonDweller

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    And that's how the ungodly huge bureaucracy and unelected turds making life-decisions for us starts...

    If a doctor sux word gets around pretty fast. And there are lots of licensed doctors that are butchers. Professional licensing is primarily for creating a barrier to entry.

    There is more and more legislation to bypass medical testing and deregulate a system that can't keep up with the rate of technological advances. People are dying BECAUSE of regulations.

    The US federal government wasn't given the mandate to handle this stuff. The Progressives seized it because that's what tyrants do. Its best handled extra-governmentally.
     
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  7. Swiper

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    "Section 8.

    8.1 The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    8.2 To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
    8.3 To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
    8.4 To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    8.5 To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    8.6 To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
    8.7 To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
    8.8 To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    8.9 To constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
    8.10 To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    8.11 To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    8.12 To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    8.13 To provide and maintain a Navy;
    8.14 To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    8.15 To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    8.16 To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    8.17 To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dockyards, and other needful Buildings;--And
    8.18 To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."


    i don't see health insurance/care on the list ^^^
     
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  8. HGH

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    yeah there was no such thing as health insurance in 1776 buddy
     
  9. Dangling Unit

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    It also says nothing about running the air space. What do you think will happen if these tools privatize the governing of our airspace and take it out of the hands of the FAA?

    I'm sure there are some amendments to what you posted.
     
  10. DungeonDweller

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    There has been governments and healthcare for thousands and thousands of years. Very intelligent people have written scrolls and codexes and books on government and why it exists and what it should do.

    But I guess you are smarter than everyone else. You and Bernie Sanders. o_O

    Also, its not about health insurance as soon as you add in "pre-existing conditions". Insuring against a pre-existing condition is like betting on last nights ball game.
     
  11. Swiper

    Swiper VIP Member

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    there was healthcare and doctors, chump


    if you don't like the constitution go start a campaign to amend it
     
  12. DungeonDweller

    DungeonDweller Senior Member

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    The framers of the Constitution and the people the created the United States put a chapter in to form the federal government to: 1) perform diplomacy (and war) with other nations, and 2) regulate interstate commerce.

    That's it.
     

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