How to stop TRT

[uniquetouch]

How to come off TRT and keep muscle gains. Been on for a year and not looking to continue. Can I take Clomid or something and maybe var or something. Still want to do occasional cycle just don’t want to be on TRT year round

 

[uniquetouch]

This is my labs before starting

 

[jipped genes]

I can tell you that even with clomid and HCG after you will loose some mass. I stop for 3 months every year but bank my script test, I always loose mass. Then I do 3 months of 220 mg wk. I gain back mass and more. Then I drop back down to 110 mg wk and I loose some again even with nolva/clomid and I do HCG.

If you can come off, do it. Loosing some size is not a big deal at least to me. See how you do and feel.

 

[uniquetouch]

I can tell you that even with clomid and HCG after you will loose some mass. I stop for 3 months every year but bank my script test, I always loose mass. Then I do 3 months of 220 mg wk. I gain back mass and more. Then I drop back down to 110 mg wk and I loose some again even with nolva/clomid and I do HCG.

If you can come off, do it. Loosing some size is not a big deal at least to me. See how you do and feel.

That’s good idea. Should I start taking Clomid now do you think?

 

[searay]

As far as I'm concerned taking 110mg wk is not off. Your still on and your body is not producing it's own test as it doesn't need to. Are your balls growing back to there normal size or even bigger than when you dropped from 220mg to 110mg? Consider that when you take your 2nd shot you still have 60mg, then 30mg from the 1st shot on wk 3, so a total of 190mg at wk 3, etc. etc.

 

[Glycomann]

I use to go on and off all the time. That's how most guys did it back in the day. You lose mass off. If you are off long enough you can build some of it back but it is a process. You were not hypogonadal when you went on TRT. you could get back to that normal number in time. I've seen a lot of guys keep about 10-20 lbs over their natural start point when gone completely off for years as long as they kept up the life style. Yes PCT and expect a lull afterward and a slow return to normal. Expect changes on the scale of every few months. If you cycle a couple times a year without recovering first you will stay close to the hypo range when off and probably only getting close to normal range shortly before going back on. So you will yo yo.

 

[genetic freak]

Most of the studies now are showing that PCT does not speed up the recovery process and using HCG will actually slow it down. If fertility is an issue then go ahead and run it, if not, then you could just come off and see how you recover. Continue to train and eat like a bodybuilder, adjust for loss in metabolism, and you will be able to mitigate some of the loss.

Where most guys lose a lot of muscle, they are motivated to train and eat properly when on and they give up hope when they are off, because mentally they are just not there anymore.

 

[jipped genes]

That’s good idea. Should I start taking Clomid now do you think?

If you are coming off, wait until the esters have cleared or mostly cleared the body. I also take D-Aspartic Acid when trying to recover. It is one supp I think does help.

GF, that is news to me. I trust you (And glyco, don't know searay well enough to know but the comment is 100% true) as you are one of the most legit dudes on the forum and all but since I started training and using gear backin the mid 90s HCG and clomid or nolva have always been the gold standard of PCT.
Is this new info? So just come off with no PCT?

 

[uniquetouch]

Thank you. Is there a ball park time frame for ester to leave body?

 

[genetic freak]

If you are coming off, wait until the esters have cleared or mostly cleared the body. I also take D-Aspartic Acid when trying to recover. It is one supp I think does help.

GF, that is news to me. I trust you (And glyco, don't know searay well enough to know but the comment is 100% true) as you are one of the most legit dudes on the forum and all but since I started training and using gear backin the mid 90s HCG and clomid or nolva have always been the gold standard of PCT.
Is this new info? So just come off with no PCT?

That was pretty much the standard and still is used. However, it has shown that it doesn't actually speed anything up. Users would report they felt better, as if they returned to normal, but lab results didn't show that. What is more than likely occurring is the PCT drugs are improving mental health or there is a placebo effect. So if it makes you feel better and you think it is working then use it, but in the end, it is not really restoring your natural levels any faster.

What happens with HCG is guys will run it and then get their labs tested. HCG monotherapy alone has shown to bring some guys up into the 1100-1200 total test range with guys still testing in the 500+ range 4 weeks after stopping. This gives a lot of guys a false sense they returned to normal.

 

[genetic freak]

Thank you. Is there a ball park time frame for ester to leave body?

Depends on what you are running, where you are pinning, what carrier oil was used, how active you are, your liver health, etc... Also, leaving the body and having an effect on the body are two seperate things. It may take test cyp 6-8 months to be undetectable in the body, but only 4-5 weeks before it has no effect.

 

[uniquetouch]

Depends on what you are running, where you are pinning, what carrier oil was used, how active you are, your liver health, etc... Also, leaving the body and having an effect on the body are two seperate things. It may take test cyp 6-8 months to be undetectable in the body, but only 4-5 weeks before it has no effect.

It was actually the gel or cream. I was prescribed 400mg twice a day. But I’ve been doing once a day for the last month up until I stopped all together two days ago