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How to know your powders legit?

Mike Singletary

Mike Singletary

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Sep 8, 2010
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#1
Hey guys is there any way you can tell/test if your powder is legit? After all most if not all of it comes from China.
 
guss

guss

MuscleHead
Aug 11, 2010
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#2
You could do a melting point test.

Take like 100mg and put it on some aluminum foil in a preheated oven and check that the temp is like 10 degrees COOLER than what its supposed to melt at. Then put it in and make sure it doesnt melt, check temp again. BTW do all the checking of melting with the oven OFF because it heat cycles.

Next bump up the temp 10 degrees and turn the oven off when it gets there (check temp) and put the sample back in. Wait a few minutes and check for meltage.

Do the same thing, bump up 10 degrees, check heat and put in sample with the oven off. Check for meltage.

If its MP is 300 degrees and it didnt melt at 290 or 300 but melted when you tried 310, its close enough and by referencing the physical propeties you can be pretty sure.

this is a basic way to test MPs. You can get more advanced, but in homebrew you just need basics.

Below is a list if melting points for the common hormones.

Androstanolone- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17b-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS 5a-Dihydrotestosterone)
melting point= 350-359 F

molecular weight= 290.40

rotation= +33 c=1 CHCL3

Boldenone- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17B-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 332-341 F

molecular weight= 286.40

rotation= +22 CHCL3


BOLDENONE UNDECLYNATE- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17B-OL-3-ONE-UNDECYLENATE

melting point=

molecular weight=

rotation=


CLOMIFENE CITRATE-2-(p- (2-chloro-1,2-diphenylvinyl)phenoxy) triethylamine citrate (1:1)

melting point= 241.7 F

molecular weight= 598.09


CLOSTEBOL- 4-ANDROSTEN-4-CHLORO-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 369 F

molecular weight= 322.89

rotation= +150 CHLF


DROSTANOLONE- 5a-ANDROSTAN-2a-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS DROMOSTANOLONE)

melting point= 300-307 F

molecular weight= 304.36

rotation= +32 MeOH


letrozole-4,4'-(1H-1,2,4 -Triazol-1-ylmethylene) dibenzonitrile

melting point= 364 F

molecular weight= 285.31


MESTEROLONE- 5a-ANDROSTAN-1a-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point=

molecular weight= 304.36

rotation= =18 CHCL3


METHANDIONONE- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17a-METHYL-17B-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS METHYLANDROSTENOLONE)

melting point= 324-327 F

molecular weight= 300.42

rotation= +0 CHCL3


METHENOLONE- 1,5a-ANDROSTEN-1-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 327- 329 F

molecular weight=

rotation= +58 CHLF


METHYL TESTOSTERONE

melting point= 324-330 F

molecular weight= 302.46


nandrolone- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 252-257 F

molecular weight= 274.38

rotation= +56 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone ACETATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ACETATE

melting point= 193-199 F

molecular weight= 316.41

rotation= +49 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone BENZOATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-BENZOATE

melting point= 340-345 F

molecular weight= 378.49

rotation= +104 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone decanoate- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-decanoate

melting point= 86-95 F

molecular weight= 428.63

rotation=


nandrolone PHENYLPROPIONATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-PHENYLPROPIONATE

melting point= 198-204 F

molecular weight= 406.54

rotation= +58 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone propionate- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-propionate

melting point= 135 F

molecular weight= 330.45

rotation= +41 C=1 CHCL3


OXANDROLONE-

melting point= 455-460 F


OXYMETHOLONE- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17a-METHYL-17b-OL-2-
HYDROXYMETHYLENE-3-ONE

melting point= 350-355 F

molecular weight= 332.47

rotation= +38 ETOH


STANOZOLOL- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17a-METHYL-17b-OL-3,
2c-PYRAZOLE

melting point prisms= 455 F
melting point needles= 155C

molecular weight= 328.42

rotation= +36 CHCL3


TAMOXIFEN CITRATE- 2-[4-1,2-Diphenyl-1-Butenyl)

melting point= 290-295 F

molecular weight= 563.65


TESTOSTERONE BASE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 310 F

molecular weight= 288.4

rotation= +102 degrees C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE ACETATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ACETATE

melting point= 285-290 F

molecular weight=330.45

rotation= +59 C=1 ACETONE


TESTOSTERONE BENZOATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-BENZOATE

melting point= 376-384 F

molecular weight=392.52

rotation= +155 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE cypionate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-CYCLOPENTYLPROPIONATE
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE CYCLOPENTYLPROPIONATE)

melting point= 209-215 F

molecular weight=412.59

rotation= +87 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE enanthate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-enanthate
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE HEPTANOATE)

melting point= 90-96 F

molecular weight=400.61

rotation= +84 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSETERONE decanoate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-n-decanoate

melting point= 117-120 F

molecular weight=

rotation= +72 DIOXANE


TESTOSTERONE ISOBUTYRATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ISOBUTYRATE

melting point= 256-262 F

molecular weight=358.50


TESTOSTERONE ISOCAPRONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE ISOCAPRONATE

melting point= 127-131 F

rotation= +86 CHLF


TESTOSTERONE VALERATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-VALERATE
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE PENTANOATE)

melting point= 223-228 F

molecular weight=372.53

rotation= +92 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE PHENYLPROPIONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 3-PHENYLPROPIONATE

melting point= 240 F

rotation= +98 CHLF


TESTOSTERONE propionate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-propionate

melting point= 247-252 F

molecular weight=344.50

rotation= +86 C=1 DIOXANE


TESTOSTERONE undecanoate- 4-Androsten-17b-ol-3-one 17-undecanoate

melting point=

molecular weight=

rotation=


TRENBOLONE ACETATE-

melting point= 200-205 F


TRENBOLONE enanthate-

melting point= 162-170 F
 
Regulator

Regulator

VIP Member
Jan 26, 2011
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#3
You could do a melting point test.

Take like 100mg and put it on some aluminum foil in a preheated oven and check that the temp is like 10 degrees COOLER than what its supposed to melt at. Then put it in and make sure it doesnt melt, check temp again. BTW do all the checking of melting with the oven OFF because it heat cycles.

Next bump up the temp 10 degrees and turn the oven off when it gets there (check temp) and put the sample back in. Wait a few minutes and check for meltage.

Do the same thing, bump up 10 degrees, check heat and put in sample with the oven off. Check for meltage.

If its MP is 300 degrees and it didnt melt at 290 or 300 but melted when you tried 310, its close enough and by referencing the physical propeties you can be pretty sure.

this is a basic way to test MPs. You can get more advanced, but in homebrew you just need basics.

Below is a list if melting points for the common hormones.

Androstanolone- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17b-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS 5a-Dihydrotestosterone)
melting point= 350-359 F

molecular weight= 290.40

rotation= +33 c=1 CHCL3

Boldenone- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17B-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 332-341 F

molecular weight= 286.40

rotation= +22 CHCL3


BOLDENONE UNDECLYNATE- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17B-OL-3-ONE-UNDECYLENATE

melting point=

molecular weight=

rotation=


CLOMIFENE CITRATE-2-(p- (2-chloro-1,2-diphenylvinyl)phenoxy) triethylamine citrate (1:1)

melting point= 241.7 F

molecular weight= 598.09


CLOSTEBOL- 4-ANDROSTEN-4-CHLORO-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 369 F

molecular weight= 322.89

rotation= +150 CHLF


DROSTANOLONE- 5a-ANDROSTAN-2a-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS DROMOSTANOLONE)

melting point= 300-307 F

molecular weight= 304.36

rotation= +32 MeOH


letrozole-4,4'-(1H-1,2,4 -Triazol-1-ylmethylene) dibenzonitrile

melting point= 364 F

molecular weight= 285.31


MESTEROLONE- 5a-ANDROSTAN-1a-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point=

molecular weight= 304.36

rotation= =18 CHCL3


METHANDIONONE- 1,4-ANDROSTADIEN-17a-METHYL-17B-OL-3-ONE
(SAME AS METHYLANDROSTENOLONE)

melting point= 324-327 F

molecular weight= 300.42

rotation= +0 CHCL3


METHENOLONE- 1,5a-ANDROSTEN-1-METHYL-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 327- 329 F

molecular weight=

rotation= +58 CHLF


METHYL TESTOSTERONE

melting point= 324-330 F

molecular weight= 302.46


nandrolone- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 252-257 F

molecular weight= 274.38

rotation= +56 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone ACETATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ACETATE

melting point= 193-199 F

molecular weight= 316.41

rotation= +49 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone BENZOATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-BENZOATE

melting point= 340-345 F

molecular weight= 378.49

rotation= +104 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone decanoate- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-decanoate

melting point= 86-95 F

molecular weight= 428.63

rotation=


nandrolone PHENYLPROPIONATE- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-PHENYLPROPIONATE

melting point= 198-204 F

molecular weight= 406.54

rotation= +58 C=1 CHCL3


nandrolone propionate- 4-ESTREN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-propionate

melting point= 135 F

molecular weight= 330.45

rotation= +41 C=1 CHCL3


OXANDROLONE-

melting point= 455-460 F


OXYMETHOLONE- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17a-METHYL-17b-OL-2-
HYDROXYMETHYLENE-3-ONE

melting point= 350-355 F

molecular weight= 332.47

rotation= +38 ETOH


STANOZOLOL- 5a-ANDROSTAN-17a-METHYL-17b-OL-3,
2c-PYRAZOLE

melting point prisms= 455 F
melting point needles= 155C

molecular weight= 328.42

rotation= +36 CHCL3


TAMOXIFEN CITRATE- 2-[4-1,2-Diphenyl-1-Butenyl)

melting point= 290-295 F

molecular weight= 563.65


TESTOSTERONE BASE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE

melting point= 310 F

molecular weight= 288.4

rotation= +102 degrees C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE ACETATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ACETATE

melting point= 285-290 F

molecular weight=330.45

rotation= +59 C=1 ACETONE


TESTOSTERONE BENZOATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-BENZOATE

melting point= 376-384 F

molecular weight=392.52

rotation= +155 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE cypionate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-CYCLOPENTYLPROPIONATE
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE CYCLOPENTYLPROPIONATE)

melting point= 209-215 F

molecular weight=412.59

rotation= +87 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE enanthate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-enanthate
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE HEPTANOATE)

melting point= 90-96 F

molecular weight=400.61

rotation= +84 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSETERONE decanoate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-n-decanoate

melting point= 117-120 F

molecular weight=

rotation= +72 DIOXANE


TESTOSTERONE ISOBUTYRATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-ISOBUTYRATE

melting point= 256-262 F

molecular weight=358.50


TESTOSTERONE ISOCAPRONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE ISOCAPRONATE

melting point= 127-131 F

rotation= +86 CHLF


TESTOSTERONE VALERATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-VALERATE
(SAME AS TESTOSTERONE PENTANOATE)

melting point= 223-228 F

molecular weight=372.53

rotation= +92 C=1 CHCL3


TESTOSTERONE PHENYLPROPIONATE- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 3-PHENYLPROPIONATE

melting point= 240 F

rotation= +98 CHLF


TESTOSTERONE propionate- 4-ANDROSTEN-17b-OL-3-ONE 17-propionate

melting point= 247-252 F

molecular weight=344.50

rotation= +86 C=1 DIOXANE


TESTOSTERONE undecanoate- 4-Androsten-17b-ol-3-one 17-undecanoate

melting point=

molecular weight=

rotation=


TRENBOLONE ACETATE-

melting point= 200-205 F


TRENBOLONE enanthate-

melting point= 162-170 F
Damn that's good. Someones been doing there homework.
 
Mad-Bull

Mad-Bull

Senior Member
Jun 10, 2011
112
6
#4
Killer post Guss I was just looking for that, also just read through it and BOLDENONE UNDECLYNATE doesn't have a melting point listed. It is a liquid/paste at room temperature I believe so no it's pretty easy to separate it upon arrival.

Also forgot to add DO NOT GO BY THE THERMOMETER IN YOUR OVEN IT IS GARBAGE, go to the supermarket and pick up a couple thermometers and go by the average of them in the oven to get an "accurate" reading.
 
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silntrunin

silntrunin

MuscleHead
Aug 30, 2011
689
110
#5
If you've messed with them enough you can tell by the smell.

btw, excellent info on melting points.
 
S

stc1709

New Member
Jun 11, 2012
2
0
#6
You could do a melting point test.

Take like 100mg and put it on some aluminum foil in a preheated oven and check that the temp is like 10 degrees COOLER than what its supposed to melt at. Then put it in and make sure it doesnt melt, check temp again. BTW do all the checking of melting with the oven OFF because it heat cycles.

Next bump up the temp 10 degrees and turn the oven off when it gets there (check temp) and put the sample back in. Wait a few minutes and check for meltage.

Do the same thing, bump up 10 degrees, check heat and put in sample with the oven off. Check for meltage.

If its MP is 300 degrees and it didnt melt at 290 or 300 but melted when you tried 310, its close enough and by referencing the physical propeties you can be pretty sure.

this is a basic way to test MPs. You can get more advanced, but in homebrew you just need basics.

Below is a list if melting points for the common hormones.


TAMOXIFEN CITRATE- 2-[4-1,2-Diphenyl-1-Butenyl)

melting point= 290-295 F

molecular weight= 563.65
I ordered some nolva from a research place 20mg capsules and the 20mg was in powder form. Reviews were solid over the past 1-4 months but one user commented on my picture saying he used it about 5 months ago and it was bunk. So i did some researcha nd found this site and did the meting point test.

Results as follows..... Started to melt after 30 seconds at 290F. followed instructions took it out, turned off oven and reset oven to 300F put the stuff in and it completely melted in 45 seconds. Seems like its good to go, unless I did it wrong. Thoughts?
 
pips

pips

MuscleHead
Jul 12, 2011
542
41
#7
hmm melting point info is awsome.i have the smell test of test products down.test e smells strong test c smells sweet prop has little smell but has a hard time going liquid.most tren products are yellow i know this all bro science but hey lol it helps.tbol winny are like flower.var and primo a are more crystalized.eq looks like motor oil thats new.just a few easy hints as i said all bro science
 
D

deadweight

MuscleHead
Sep 20, 2010
2,294
497
#8
hmm melting point info is awsome.i have the smell test of test products down.test e smells strong test c smells sweet prop has little smell but has a hard time going liquid.most tren products are yellow i know this all bro science but hey lol it helps.tbol winny are like flower.var and primo a are more crystalized.eq looks like motor oil thats new.just a few easy hints as i said all bro science
that shows experiance bro....not everyone can tell by smell....dw
 
Get Some

Get Some

MuscleHead
Sep 9, 2010
3,441
640
#9
Sometimes you can tell by the color as well... a quick example would be var is usually a very vibrant and bright white while Drol is a dull white. If you put them next to each other you would easily be able to tell the difference. It's always a crapshoot if you're only ordering one product as it can be mislabeled even by the best of the best. But, hopefully if you know the right people to order from it won't be an issue
 
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