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Wallyd

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Hoping some of you guys that are more serious than I am & or train others will chime in. I’ve read everything from 1/2, 1, 1.6 & even 2 grams per pound of body weight. I’m sure most of us have heard too much protein can hurt your liver & possibly cause other health issues. Do you vary your intake based on your goals, I would assume the answer is yes

So I’m just curious what you all shoot for? What do you want your clients to aim for? I usually try to get around 1.5 gram range.
The main reason I’m asking is I had to go to a liver doctor. My primary care didn’t like some of my blood test results. After more testing I was sent to a specialist. They basically don’t want me to eat any carbs. I’m not saying I agree with this, just pass g along their suggestions.
 
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I have guesses and suspicions, but no well-informed answers. While we wait, I'll add a question though:

Liver, yes ... what about kidneys, and maybe pancreas as well?
 
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Hoping some of you guys that are more serious than I am & or train others will chime in. I’ve read everything from 1/2, 1, 1.6 & even 2 grams per pound of body weight. I’m sure most of us have heard too much protein can hurt your liver & possibly cause other health issues. Do you vary your intake based on your goals, I would assume the answer is yes

So I’m just curious what you all shoot for? What do you want your clients to aim for? I usually try to get around 1.5 gram range.
The main reason I’m asking is I had to go to a liver doctor. My primary care didn’t like some of my blood test results. After more testing I was sent to a specialist. They basically don’t want me to eat any carbs. I’m not saying I agree with this, just pass g along their suggestions.
I just had my labs done my liver and kidney enzymes were both elevated. Nothing drastic but concerning. I weight 143 lbs I have been consuming 236 Grams of protein since September. Probably will continue till April or May. I’ll retest again in about to more months to see were they are. I started liver and kidney support supplement. Interested in hearing the suggestions.
 
Wallyd

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I just had my labs done my liver and kidney enzymes were both elevated. Nothing drastic but concerning. I weight 143 lbs I have been consuming 236 Grams of protein since September. Probably will continue till April or May. I’ll retest again in about to more months to see were they are. I started liver and kidney support supplement. Interested in hearing the suggestions.
So you’re right at the 1.6 range.
I go back in March for a follow up. They want me to lose quite a bit of weight, I think they are going by the old height & weight charts which say I’m obese. They will also do another ultra-sound of my liver but it’s checking the density of it instead of just looking at pictures of it. Atleast that’s the way I understand it.
 
genetic freak

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I will typically set a baseline of 1 gram per pound of bodyweight from PROTEIN sources. They are going to get more protein from rice, oatmeal, etc... and it could be substantial during the off season, but that protein is garbage. Not complete, very low quality.

There are so many things that can impact your liver and kidney values on a lab test, especially if they are not pulling the correct labs. AST/ALT and creatinine are heavily impacted by training and supplements. Creatinine is literally the measure of muscle protein in the blood. The more muscle you have, the higher it will be regardless. It is a very poor indicator of kidney health. Getting your GGT pulled for your liver and cystatin c or creatinine clearance test for your kidneys are far superior.

That being said, perma-bulkers or people who tend to put down a lot of food when bulking can gain a significant amount of visceral fat in/around their liver in a hurry. This is why I tell people, if you are above 15% BF you have no business bulking. I won't even give them cheat meals. You may not look like you are packing on a ton of fat, because you are storing it in places you cannot see it.
 
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I will typically set a baseline of 1 gram per pound of bodyweight from PROTEIN sources. They are going to get more protein from rice, oatmeal, etc... and it could be substantial during the off season, but that protein is garbage. Not complete, very low quality.

There are so many things that can impact your liver and kidney values on a lab test, especially if they are not pulling the correct labs. AST/ALT and creatinine are heavily impacted by training and supplements. Creatinine is literally the measure of muscle protein in the blood. The more muscle you have, the higher it will be regardless. It is a very poor indicator of kidney health. Getting your GGT pulled for your liver and cystatin c or creatinine clearance test for your kidneys are far superior.

That being said, perma-bulkers or people who tend to put down a lot of food when bulking can gain a significant amount of visceral fat in/around their liver in a hurry. This is why I tell people, if you are above 15% BF you have no business bulking. I won't even give them cheat meals. You may not look like you are packing on a ton of fat, because you are storing it in places you cannot see it.
Are you familiar with what the ultra sound is checking? I’ll have to go back & see what testing they actually did, I think I had bloodwork done 3 separate times.
 
The other Snake

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There are so many things that can impact your liver and kidney values on a lab test, especially if they are not pulling the correct labs. AST/ALT and creatinine are heavily impacted by training and supplements. Creatinine is literally the measure of muscle protein in the blood. The more muscle you have, the higher it will be regardless. It is a very poor indicator of kidney health. Getting your GGT pulled for your liver and cystatin c or creatinine clearance test for your kidneys are far superior.
I have always had my creatinine come back at 1.4-1.6. Same Doc I have been with for 40 years said, Lets just get a better look. Nephrologist said it was probably muscle related. Did the clearance test and it came back something like 0.05 lower. Kidney Doc said, that's your baseline and as long as nothing creeps up, you're fine.

There's a range for men and women. The male range is higher because we carry more muscle. Weight lifters carry more muscle than the average guy.
 
The other Snake

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Re. the required protein. 1.0-1.25 per LEAN body mass. Adding 30 lbs of fat to your frame doesn't require 35g of additional protein. Approximately half of your protein requirements doesn't even get used for muscle repair.

I sit around 215 lbs and on the leaner side. My target is 200-220g
 
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Hoping some of you guys that are more serious than I am & or train others will chime in. I’ve read everything from 1/2, 1, 1.6 & even 2 grams per pound of body weight. I’m sure most of us have heard too much protein can hurt your liver & possibly cause other health issues. Do you vary your intake based on your goals, I would assume the answer is yes

So I’m just curious what you all shoot for? What do you want your clients to aim for? I usually try to get around 1.5 gram range.
The main reason I’m asking is I had to go to a liver doctor. My primary care didn’t like some of my blood test results. After more testing I was sent to a specialist. They basically don’t want me to eat any carbs. I’m not saying I agree with this, just pass g along their suggestions.

POSSIBLE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF High Protein Diet?​

The benefits of HPD are well known, but there have been concerns that it may be harmful to the bones and kidneys. It has long been hypothesized that HPD increases the resorption of bones, which act as buffers, by increasing the acid load in the body,13 and some researchers argued that HPD increases risk for bone fracture and osteoporosis by accelerating bone resorption and urinary calcium excretion.14 However, a meta-analysis of 74 RCTs observed that subjects in the HPD group (16%–45% of total daily energy intake as protein) were not significantly different from low-protein-diet subjects (5%–23% of total daily energy intake as protein) with regard to bone mineral density of the lumbar spine and hips.6 Furthermore, low protein intake is generally considered a nutritional deficiency. In particular, it has been described as a factor affecting osteoporosis development in older adults.15 Hannan et al.16 reported that protein intake was negatively correlated with bone loss in their Framingham Osteoporosis Study, which prospectively examined 615 older adults over four years. There have also been concerns that HPD may deteriorate renal function by increasing the glomerular filtration rate (GFR) and inducing renal hypertrophy. However, Friedman et al.17 found no declining renal function in terms of various indicators such as GFR and albuminuria when studying the safety of HPD in 307 obese adults with normal renal function over two years (24 months). Nevertheless, they reported increased calcium level in urine with neither reduction in bone mineral density nor urolithiasis, calling for further studies. Knight et al.18 also reported no association of high protein intake with change in GFR in their prospective Nurses’ Health Study, which involved 1,624 females. They noted that GFR decreased by 1.69 mL/min per 1.73 m2 in participants with mild renal insufficiency (GFR 55–80 mL/min/ 1.73 m2) when protein intake was increased by 10 g. Overall, HPD does not lead to reduced bone mineral density. On the contrary, high protein intake can help prevent bone loss in older adults who are prone to nutritional deficiency. While HPD also does not affect renal function in healthy people, it can adversely affect renal function in people with kidney disease. There is not a clear definition of the upper limit of beneficial protein intake, but Millward19 reported in their study on energy-restricted HPD that up to 1.66 g/kg BW/ day does not pose a health hazard. Martens et al.20 and Bray et al.21 studied HPD with neutral or positive energy balance, and they reported that consuming an amount of protein that accounts for 25%–30% of the total daily energy intake for 10–12 weeks did not induce any adverse effects. However, more long-term clinical trials are required to identify a safe upper limit of HPD.



Conclusion​

In resistance-trained young men who do not significantly alter their training regimen, consuming a high protein diet (2.6 to 3.3 g/kg/day) over a 4-month period has no effect on blood lipids or markers of renal and hepatic function. Nor were there any changes in performance or body composition. This is the first crossover trial using resistance-trained subjects in which the elevation of protein intake to over four times the recommended dietary allowance has shown no harmful effects.


Having said all of this, Even at my age I still take in about 1g/lb/bw. I am not competing and have not for years and just try to keep in good shape.

Here is a page with some solid advice on protein intake
 
genetic freak

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Are you familiar with what the ultra sound is checking? I’ll have to go back & see what testing they actually did, I think I had bloodwork done 3 separate times.
I am. One of my buddies just had one done. They are going to look at the overall health of the liver: fat, blood flow, stones, bile ducts, dead areas/stiffness, etc..
 
Wallyd

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I am. One of my buddies just had one done. They are going to look at the overall health of the liver: fat, blood flow, stones, bile ducts, dead areas/stiffness, etc..
Are they telling him the same thing about his diet?
 
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I eat 1.5 to 2 grams per lb of lean bodymass, each day. Mostly chicken, fish and pork, with some whey protein.

My liver signs are fine.

But my creatinine levels have been high since I started the HPD about 12 years ago. They ran around 1.3 for 5 or 6 years, then increased to 1.4 for a couple years and now are up to 1.6 for the past few years.

I am consulting with a nephrologist and have a follow up appointment in January. My last appointment they told me they were leaning toward believing that my high levels are not due to kidney damage, but are due to my high lean bodymass and high protein diet. They are hoping the additional testing in January will confirm. They asked me to stay off Creatine until my follow up consultation is done.
 
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