How many other lies?

[macgyver]

Lets be honest here. You and a few others will always reject my ideas. No matter what I post. Its not a matter of learning its a matter of you and a few others trying to prove what you have been told was right was correct. The pics I posted showed a 51 pound weight loss in 5 months while on over 5,000 calories per day. If you were genuinely interested it might be different. Carry on eating your sugar and justifying it. I'll keep doing what works for me.

Man, I am open to my mind being changed. Hell, I resisted IF for YEARS before I finally tired it. (wish I had done so earlier).

So I am open to having my mind changed. Genuinely interested to see what a years progress has been since I last saw your pics. (I think it was about that timeframe).

Hell, maybe I am the idiot. I certainly was with dismissing the power of fasting! Now I stay open minded to being proven wrong....

 

[gunslinger]

Man, I am open to my mind being changed. Hell, I resisted IF for YEARS before I finally tired it. (wish I had done so earlier).

So I am open to having my mind changed. Genuinely interested to see what a years progress has been since I last saw your pics. (I think it was about that timeframe).

Hell, maybe I am the idiot. I certainly was with dismissing the power of fasting! Now I stay open minded to being proven wrong....

Petition testboner for some pics if you want. I got a ribeye waiting on me.

 

[Glycomann]

You see the figure below seems complex but the actual situation we are discussing here is many times more complex. Now no one here can sling the partial differentials to even remotely solve the equations below even if given all the rate constants. Now we introduce that 22 year old English majors feel they have the stronger case and it all seems ridiculous. So I am going to eat a serving of Fritos, force my 62 year old left tit to lactate and bid you all good night.

 

[SAD]

I’ll start off by saying that I can’t stand Gunslinger.

Then I’ll go further and say that if you preach this shit so much, then back it up and show some physique updates.

Then I’ll back track a touch and say that 90% of the benefits of going carnivore, or mostly carnivore in my case, are NOT physique changes, but rather inflammation and overall sense of health, changes. Joints don’t hurt nearly as bad as they used to. Stomach issues are nonexistent. Skin and eyes and hair look younger and healthier. Brain works better. Dick works better. Mood is more stable. Etc.

All of the previous said, I’d still post pics to prove that I’m not a flat skinny twig or a soft loose blob either.

I stay around 240 now at probably 14%bf. Maybe a touch lower. Almost exclusively on animal products.

 

[lamarclark09]

Following are the myths about diet and nutrition I've been listening to for so long!

• Calories in and calories out is all that matters when it comes to weight loss
• High fat foods are unhealthy.
• You need to eat less, frequent meals for optimal health.

 

[gunslinger]

Following are the myths about diet and nutrition I've been listening to for so long!

• Calories in and calories out is all that matters when it comes to weight loss
• High fat foods are unhealthy.
• You need to eat less, frequent meals for optimal health.

Yep, I was just told on instagram this morning that its not sugar that makes people fat, its calories.

 

[Type-IIx]

You see the figure below seems complex but the actual situation we are discussing here is many times more complex. Now no one here can sling the partial differentials to even remotely solve the equations below even if given all the rate constants. Now we introduce that 22 year old English majors feel they have the stronger case and it all seems ridiculous. So I am going to eat a serving of Fritos, force my 62 year old left tit to lactate and bid you all good night.

Not sure who this flippant obfuscation of something that is actually quite simple is directed at, but I'll respond.

Nonequilibrium, diff. eq., entropy, blah, blah, blah.

Here is a simple task to try - just measure your food intake with a weighing scale (e.g., a food scale, of which the very existence & availability in any shop or grocery speaks for itself that energy balance determines weight loss) and use the corresponding nutrition data to measure macros and kcal daily for a each day of the week where your weight remains the same. Simply eat the same things (foods, quantities) daily. Engage in your normal routine activities.

This gives you your daily maintenance.

If you want to lose fat (9 kcal/g), reduce energy intake (kcal) by, say 15% to start, a very reasonable and manageable deficit at > 12% b.f. Reduce fat (9 kcal/g) intake preferentially (i.e., first) but to no lower than 50 g/d, keep or increase protein (4 kcal/g) intake (satiety, muscle retention or even increases if dieting is done correctly and certainly with anabolic agents in the mix), and take the remainder away in carbohydrate (4 kcal/g).

Measure weekly changes in your scale weight (quantitative measure) & visual changes to appearance by input from someone objective and experienced in body composition changes (qualitative measure).

Plot weekly changes in any spreadsheet application.

There will be a linear fit to the curve.

This fact is so unbelievably simple and basic that you don't even need to know that Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) = RMR/BMR + NEAT + EAT + TEF, or any of that shit.

In conclusion, nothing in your rambling, incoherent reply even approached anything that could be considered a rational thought.

 

[macgyver]

Yep, I was just told on instagram this morning that its not sugar that makes people fat, its calories

Actually that is 100% fact and been proven by several controlled studies. Dont know how much you read and research. There is even a study that took two groups on fully controlled intakes. After establishing their TDEE, they fed one group a balanced diet with all carbs coming from complex sources. The other group got 80% of their carb intake from sucrose. Yes, pure table sugar. After setting a deficit, they observed fat loss between the two groups. Degrees of fat loss were IDENTICAL between the two groups.


Anyway, I am not kidding. Definitely wanting to see how much progress you have made in last year or so. I seem to remember (and dont flame me if I am wrong as it was a while ago), but you were not all that lean before. If now you are well below 10%, peeled with all kinds of vascularity, then I will apologize and admit I might have been wrong. Of course you can get peeled while eating carbs too, but since my gut tells me you are not the regimented person, if simply switching to Carnivore has completely transformed your overall composition, then I would have to consider that there was something to it.

Not one to bust anyone's balls, but if you are going to continually come on and rave about how incredibly effective this diet are, please show us some proof. If you just enjoy it, than great. Good for you. But you take it a step further when you make the claims you do and I dont think asking to see some 'progress' is all that much. I will go one step further while still trying to be respectful. If you dont look much different than a year ago (decent shape for most guys off the street), you might just enjoy life and arguing with people that you know more than they do. You start to look kinda silly my friend.

And just to be clear, I dont consider myself 'in shape' right now. Lots of sloppy eating (knowingly) Worst shape I have been in in over 7 years. But I just did not want it and my joints feel better carrying a little more fat. But I just started pulling back food a few weeks ago. Took this pic last night. No good, but not bad. And I also know I am not a 'big' dude....blah blah blah... Lots of guys WAY bigger than I am. Not claiming anything other than I think most of your diet advice is pure silliness.

Below that is a pic of last nights dinner. I am dropping weight, so I only ate 1/2 the white rice that came with the Chinese food. (could not resist eating 2 fried wantons though ). And tonight.... I of course will be eating pizza. It is friday after all.

 

[beefnewton]

I was appreciating those pictures until I scrolled down to broccoli.

 

[Glycomann]

Not sure who this flippant obfuscation of something that is actually quite simple is directed at, but I'll respond.

Nonequilibrium, diff. eq., entropy, blah, blah, blah.

Here is a simple task to try - just measure your food intake with a weighing scale (e.g., a food scale, of which the very existence & availability in any shop or grocery speaks for itself that energy balance determines weight loss) and use the corresponding nutrition data to measure macros and kcal daily for a each day of the week where your weight remains the same. Simply eat the same things (foods, quantities) daily. Engage in your normal routine activities.

This gives you your daily maintenance.

If you want to lose fat (9 kcal/g), reduce energy intake (kcal) by, say 15% to start, a very reasonable and manageable deficit at > 12% b.f. Reduce fat (9 kcal/g) intake preferentially (i.e., first) but to no lower than 50 g/d, keep or increase protein (4 kcal/g) intake (satiety, muscle retention or even increases if dieting is done correctly and certainly with anabolic agents in the mix), and take the remainder away in carbohydrate (4 kcal/g).

Measure weekly changes in your scale weight (quantitative measure) & visual changes to appearance by input from someone objective and experienced in body composition changes (qualitative measure).

Plot weekly changes in any spreadsheet application.

There will be a linear fit to the curve.

This fact is so unbelievably simple and basic that you don't even need to know that Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) = RMR/BMR + NEAT + EAT + TEF, or any of that shit.

In conclusion, nothing in your rambling, incoherent reply even approached anything that could be considered a rational thought.

You write like an English major and full of hubris. It is quite clear you took physics for poets.

 

[macgyver]

I was appreciating those pictures until I scrolled down to broccoli.

Man....I LOVE Chinese food. Normally my Chinese order is

Chicken and Broccoli
Order of fried wantons
Order of fried dumplings
and and egg roll.

My wife will eat a couple wantons and of the dumplings, but I polish off the rest. So just eating the Chicken and broccoli and only 1/2 the rice is my 'diet'

 

[gunslinger]

"Actually that is 100% fact and been proven by several controlled studies"


Actually thats 100% bullshit and provably so. Tell me, why is it I can eat over 4,000 calories per day and lose weight eating nothing but meat but I can eat 1,000 calories per day of sugar and get fat every single other thing being equal? I'll wait.

Also just to be clear I could give 2 fucks about what YOU look like. I had a friend in high school who was "peeled" as you say eating fudge and cool-aid. Good for you. Thats NOT how it works for most people. If it did MOST people in america would walk around looking like pre-competition bodybuilders.