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Fair enough.
I do think the time it become an LEO is stupidly short.
It takes almost 4 times as long to learn how to clean teeth.
The academy is usually way too short. Too short to to weed out bad ones and get enough training for the good ones.
Not enough ongoing training either for that matter. Too much is expected to be learned on the job from a FTO.
If that FTO is a dirt bag in a dirt bag department it will just be passed on to the new newbie.

I know several police officer that I support 100%.
Shit, I would step in front of a bullet for them, just like they would fore me.
I agree we have an issue and need to improve but the current shit going on isnt exactly taking us in the right decision.
I do support the blue line but I dont worship them either. The older I get the less I trust the police. Sad to say but we have seen enough shit to demand changes.
I do demand changes and will do so by voting. I totally oppose whats going on now and Im ready for water cannons and live ammo.
In most of Europe where police do tend to be able to resolve all the same common crimes far less violently, it requires 2-3 years (country depending) to become a cop. Hyuge difference!
 
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I'd be OK with better police academy training and requirements. I'm all for disciplining bad police conduct, and I do think the blue wall of silence culture needs to be undone. Let's fix problems that exist, but what Antifa want has nothing to do with that.

Hamstringing the police unnecessarily is going to have a devastating impact on the black urban communities. It's already happening rapidly in Chicago, New York and Minneapolis. (also St. Louis, DC and Baltimore). The progress being made in Detroit can be reversed very quickly, and I hope that doesn't occur.
 
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In most of Europe where police do tend to be able to resolve all the same common crimes far less violently, it requires 2-3 years (country depending) to become a cop. Hyuge difference!
My experience in Germany was there were a lot less cops, but if someone called them like 10 showed up with body armor and machine guns. Its an impressive sight.

Training for cops is really short, like 16 weeks give or take. Most the localities around here are understaffed, and if that is commonly true it may be hard to get them to lengthen it for fear of chasing candidates away, though I'd ask how good really is a candidate that won't take 2 more weeks to become a cop.
 
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I'd be OK with better police academy training and requirements. I'm all for disciplining bad police conduct, and I do think the blue wall of silence culture needs to be undone. Let's fix problems that exist, but what Antifa want has nothing to do with that.

Hamstringing the police unnecessarily is going to have a devastating impact on the black urban communities. It's already happening rapidly in Chicago, New York and Minneapolis. (also St. Louis, DC and Baltimore). The progress being made in Detroit can be reversed very quickly, and I hope that doesn't occur.
Whats happening in Chicago, etc is not hamstringing the police. Its way past that. The leadershit simply dont want this to end. They use the least amount of resources they get away with and release the scumbags as soon as possible. Its a political movement using your tax dollars to fund it and then insurance money to rebuild the damage.
Soon your tax dollars will go to rebuild what the insurance companies are not paying for.
 
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Whats happening in Chicago, etc is not hamstringing the police. Its way past that. The leadershit simply dont want this to end. They use the least amount of resources they get away with and release the scumbags as soon as possible. Its a political movement using your tax dollars to fund it and then insurance money to rebuild the damage.
Soon your tax dollars will go to rebuild what the insurance companies are not paying for.
OK, I'll bite. So what is the end goal of the movement exactly? If it's just to defeat Trump, it's all a bit silly. Let's say Trump loses in November. OK, now what. You think all the bad guys stop? Now you've turned your town into a hellhole, and you can't put the monster you've unleashed back in his cage.

Is the goal socialism/communism? OK, those systems only work when you've already got a bunch of wealth to redistribute. If Chicago goes to hell, all those with the means will have already left once you get to socialism/communism, and there isn't too much left laying around to redistribute.

I'm just trying to understand what is the end game here.
 
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My experience in Germany was there were a lot less cops, but if someone called them like 10 showed up with body armor and machine guns. Its an impressive sight.

Training for cops is really short, like 16 weeks give or take. Most the localities around here are understaffed, and if that is commonly true it may be hard to get them to lengthen it for fear of chasing candidates away, though I'd ask how good really is a candidate that won't take 2 more weeks to become a cop.
“In Germany, for example, police recruits are required to spend two and a half to four years in basic training to become an officer, with the option to pursue the equivalent of a bachelor's or master's degree in policing.“


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/612820/
 
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Whats happening in Chicago, etc is not hamstringing the police. Its way past that. The leadershit simply dont want this to end. They use the least amount of resources they get away with and release the scumbags as soon as possible. Its a political movement using your tax dollars to fund it and then insurance money to rebuild the damage.
Soon your tax dollars will go to rebuild what the insurance companies are not paying for.
That’s very much a media / political controlled narrative. Careful being manipulated onto bandwagons.
 
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EVERYONE, let’s not lose sight of what monsters those who make up our govt are (GOP and DEM alike) as well as the fed / world bank owners, shadow policy makers, and the interwoven corporate industrial complex (education, finance, medical, defense, etc).
 
MorganKane

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That’s very much a media / political controlled narrative. Careful being manipulated onto bandwagons.
Please explain that one.
I have seen the videos of what going on.
I have seen the reports of the arrested being released with no charges.
So what exactly is it that I am missing here.

There are very little effort put in to stop this shit.
Its the same shit as always in those cities. Let it burn and let someone else pay for it.
You can easly find videos of the mayor of both Chicago and Portland complaining about the feds "interfering".

So Im clueless what you are talking about.
It actually sounds like you are excusing this shit.
 
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Please explain that one.
I have seen the videos of what going on.
I have seen the reports of the arrested being released with no charges.
So what exactly is it that I am missing here.

There are very little effort put in to stop this shit.
Its the same shit as always in those cities. Let it burn and let someone else pay for it.
You can easly find videos of the mayor of both Chicago and Portland complaining about the feds "interfering".

So Im clueless what you are talking about.
It actually sounds like you are excusing this shit.
All you’ve seen is what the media chooses to highlight.
With regard to releasing arrestees, the practice / policy is to current release those arrested for non violent offenses. Overcrowding and the PLANdemic shit is the reasoning.
By discounting the entire momentum of protesters with justifiable causes, as being the entirety of the numbers at large as representing the faction thats spotlighted, it’s easier to side with authoritarianism. Problem with that is that it bolsters the totality of law enforcement, rather than contending with the largely tyrannical institutional abuses and overreaches at large.
 
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I’d like to take this moment to remind everyone that nobody here has all the answers, or any of the answers, necessarily.

ALL of us are seeing our own version of this.

NONE of us can possibly experience this pandemic/racism/wealth-gap/etc from all angles and feel it with omniscient empathy and clarity.

It’s easy to learn a lot about our own personal views.

It’s hard to understand that other views can be right, in their own ways, too.
 
tommyguns2

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Yeah, I hear about the wealth gap all the time. It's never resonated with me. The poorest people in the US today live the life of nobility 150 years ago. They've got heat when it's cold out, they've got AC (sometimes) when it's hot out. They have indoor running water and plumbing. they have cable TV and a smart phone. The Vanderbilts didn't have that. And yet the poor are more pissed off now than then. They have access to reasonable medical care through Medicaid, housing vouchers, EBT, the list goes on and on.

It's about wanting what someone else has, but not wanting to work for it.

If you were making $30K/year and I was making $100K/year, and our incomes both magically tripled. The wage gap went from $70K to $210K. Is the poor person now making $90K/year better off or worse? Wealth inequality is a meaningless stat without a lot more info. Being envious of someone else has historically been a sin. Now it seems like a virtue..
 
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