Help with next mini cycle please

[Tobit]

Your free test is crap, but that is because you are running test only and getting some binding. Even with a little bit of DHT that number would skyrocket. Usually see more tissue growth with higher free test, but also more side effects.

Righto, I thought my free test was awesome haha, but again, my field was trt and when men get their free test to around 25 they feel much better. I’m trying to learn the anabolic gains side of things better as it’s a whole other animal which you guys know a lot about and I hope to learn.

A couple of questions if I may. What would be a good free Test range for better gains if 98ng/dl is crap?

Also, you mentioned adding in DHT, do you mean supplementing DHT? I’m on daily 0.5mg of finasteride (5AR Inhibitors) to keep my hair as at 200mg I started thinning much more. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance appreciate you guys and the iron den.

 

[Tobit]

Looks to me like you are dialed in. Go higher with test and your hematocrit, which is 54% now, might go higher. So will your estrogen. I would focus on diet, training and getting good rest. Those are the drivers for gains. Your hormone levels will support your efforts.

So stick with the 300mg per week rather than risk the higher E2 and Hematocrit?
I already push hard on diet, training and rest. I was hoping to see how 30mg of primo helps in acting as an Ai and adding Deca or NPP at 50mg weekly for joints also and if possible moving up to try and hit 500mg weekly of test E. Appreciate your thoughts. I’m in no rush past necessary time like 10 week intervals to run full labs again and see what things look like.

 

[genetic freak]

Righto, I thought my free test was awesome haha, but again, my field was trt and when men get their free test to around 25 they feel much better. I’m trying to learn the anabolic gains side of things better as it’s a whole other animal which you guys know a lot about and I hope to learn.

A couple of questions if I may. What would be a good free Test range for better gains if 98ng/dl is crap?

Also, you mentioned adding in DHT, do you mean supplementing DHT? I’m on daily 0.5mg of finasteride (5AR Inhibitors) to keep my hair as at 200mg I started thinning much more. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance appreciate you guys and the iron den.

The closer you can get it to 5% the total test the better for gains. However, the worse it is going to be for your hairline.

If you start thinning at 200 mg of test and require finasteride then adding in a DHT is going to crush you. It is not that primo, mast, var, winstrol, etc... are going to make your hair fall out, but they are going to compete with testosterone to bind to the androgen receptor, freeing up more test. Due to DHTs also having AI effects, the additional test is likely to convert to DHT and your hair is going to fall out.

You are likely going to see similar effects pushing the test up higher and adding in an AI. More testosterone means you are going to have more aromatization and conversion to DHT. If you use an AI, you are going to skew the ratio to move conversion to DHT and your hair is going to fall out.

What I am trying to say. Keep it where it is and be happy with the muscle you can build at that level or say fuck it, grown more muscle and shave your head.

 

[Tobit]

The closer you can get it to 5% the total test the better for gains. However, the worse it is going to be for your hairline.

If you start thinning at 200 mg of test and require finasteride then adding in a DHT is going to crush you. It is not that primo, mast, var, winstrol, etc... are going to make your hair fall out, but they are going to compete with testosterone to bind to the androgen receptor, freeing up more test. Due to DHTs also having AI effects, the additional test is likely to convert to DHT and your hair is going to fall out.

You are likely going to see similar effects pushing the test up higher and adding in an AI. More testosterone means you are going to have more aromatization and conversion to DHT. If you use an AI, you are going to skew the ratio to move conversion to DHT and your hair is going to fall out.

What I am trying to say. Keep it where it is and be happy with the muscle you can build at that level or say fuck it, grown more muscle and shave your head.

Ok thank you. A few more thoughts here.
If I go up in Test but add in 30mg of primo and am able to keep aromatisation enzyme down so that I am under 100pg/mL E2 blood spillover level……AND…0.5mg of oral Finasteride daily to keep 5AR enzyme in check from converting more DHT, will that work?

I do not want to crush either enzymes (aromatase or 5AR) as I want E2 and DHT, just to keep them in a check where I am being less affected.

I know that without labs to see where I’m actually able to hack my levels it’s a very hit and miss science. But what am I missing in the puzzle here regarding compounds and mechanisms of action?

If not test and no DHT derivative, what about a 19-nor? What might I add to see if I can access more anabolic gains?

 

[genetic freak]

Ok thank you. A few more thoughts here.
If I go up in Test but add in 30mg of primo and am able to keep aromatisation enzyme down so that I am under 100pg/mL E2 blood spillover level……AND…0.5mg of oral Finasteride daily to keep 5AR enzyme in check from converting more DHT, will that work?

I do not want to crush either enzymes (aromatase or 5AR) as I want E2 and DHT, just to keep them in a check where I am being less affected.

I know that without labs to see where I’m actually able to hack my levels it’s a very hit and miss science. But what am I missing in the puzzle here regarding compounds and mechanisms of action?

If not test and no DHT derivative, what about a 19-nor? What might I add to see if I can access more anabolic gains?

I honestly wouldn't worry about your E2 creeping up over 100 if you are not experiencing any negative effects. A good test to E2 ratio is 20:1 and you have already exceed that. A lot of guys will be in the 12-15:1 range and are fine. I have even seen guys in the 8:1 range with no gyno. They still had a lot of bloat and couldn't lose bodyfat to save their lives, but no gyno.

You could throw in some NPP or deca if you wanted. Most people handle NPP better than deca and it is out of your system faster if you do experience negative effects. Also, NPP doesn't usually raise RBC/HCT/hemoglobin as bad as deca. I would stay away from tren. Great compound, but comes with great risk.

 

[Tobit]

I honestly wouldn't worry about your E2 creeping up over 100 if you are not experiencing any negative effects. A good test to E2 ratio is 20:1 and you have already exceed that. A lot of guys will be in the 12-15:1 range and are fine. I have even seen guys in the 8:1 range with no gyno. They still had a lot of bloat and couldn't lose bodyfat to save their lives, but no gyno.

You could throw in some NPP or deca if you wanted. Most people handle NPP better than deca and it is out of your system faster if you do experience negative effects. Also, NPP doesn't usually raise RBC/HCT/hemoglobin as bad as deca. I would stay away from tren. Great compound, but comes with great risk.

Man love your wisdom of this stuff and greatly appreciate the learning thank you!

 

[tommyguns2]

I think GF's advice on the E2 is really good. The raw number might not be most important, but rather the ratio of T to E2.