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Help, lower back is trashed...

BrotherIron

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Hawk,

I would then say you also need to find a good chiro to help you. I found one and they have helped me tremendously.
 
chicken_hawk

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Hawk,

I would then say you also need to find a good chiro to help you. I found one and they have helped me tremendously.

I do know a good one. She's a friend and ART specialist. It's $50 a pop and she did help me short term but not long as I am still dealing with it.

Hawk
 
BrotherIron

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I think I'm going to make a video about the stretches I have done, and can post it in here for you. I've suffered from both SI joints shifting and worsening over time. Good luck to you and let us know what the doc says.


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Please do b/c I'm sure we could all benefit from those being posted.
 
ketsugo

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Chiropractic care is usually not the best route . They address only specific issues . In some cases though they won't admit - can actually make matters worse . If you need stablilization and more dynamic streghth you don't do chiro. I found out the hard way back in my 30s when I was lifting 6 days week with sort of periodization cycles on my major lifts similar to some power lifting routines but I was bodybuilder and fitness . Since that's when I was doing aikijutsu , BJJ , muy Thai , wing chin ect 8-12 hours day since my full time job actually required me to sleep overnight for few hours. Plus either travel or being stationed in Asia being able to train as pain free as possible was imperative . Any one knows me from past 15 years across comunitty knows I eventually succumbed to major spine surgery . Which was best decision I ever made . Most spine rehab may say that they do stabilization / streghth etc but personally for over decade I traveled globe and even in the boston area I tried many many alternatives . My doc at the NE baptist pioneered a method that when I had it done was experimental . My guys famous world wide for spine surgery . His office did the Kennedy's , Larry bird , shieks from Arabia etc people came from around globe to have him. However there are great surgeons every where just need to find . Every great surgeon also has great rehab team to condition patients back it their normal activities . Us here that work out - regular routine will not cut it . Doing stretching and body weight or using 3 pound dumb ells will never at any phase work for us. You first need doc who works with power and streghth athletes . People I have studied martial arts for past 40 years with go to orthopedic or physical therapy ( including myself ) are powerful guys that can do two way splits - we do not need stretching hence to a point is not of utmost importance . Your muscle in hips , sacral and spinal areas need to be strong enough to hold degenerated bones together . Not rely on belts or supports or temporary exercises . While good for momentary relief and to do your regular activities while still nursing unjury ! It is not long term . Even if you resort to surgery like I did - you will needs to compensate by making the muscle along spine and hip stronger . Stronger to exert power over arc or duration , stronger to prevent further damage and slow degenerative process . You need to build the area so tiny support muscle of hips , sacrum and spine erectors and thoracic to become internal supports . At point they replace belt or supports . I'm 51 now I use no supports unless injured . Of course if I was an Olympic or power lifter I would at times and meets but I do in my regular workouts use weights that many may think heavy . Example seated press behind neck I warm up with 225. Bent rows 225 also warm up but I exhaust my back with 20-25 Reps. I still teach and train in certain so called fighting systems / martial arts where we take turns throwing each other violently to floor. Most dojo I train we don't have padded spring floors , we train in a basement on concrete or on bare ground outside . ( reality ) my point is I punish my back and my surgery is maintained by making power support exercise regime as part of my regular routine since 1995. I can do more now 21 years post surgery at age 51 then when I was 18-25 years old . There is studies validating these theories but over past 26 years I'll ask you to find them if you need as I have lived it . Back problems suck ! Affects every thing you try to do sleep, stand , carry things etc. the main thing you always need is proper diagnosis through MRI and orthopedic specialist .NOT chiropractor. The chiro is some one you find secondary . Fact not opinion. Good luck I feel your pain
 
chicken_hawk

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Chiropractic care is usually not the best route . They address only specific issues . In some cases though they won't admit - can actually make matters worse . If you need stablilization and more dynamic streghth you don't do chiro. I found out the hard way back in my 30s when I was lifting 6 days week with sort of periodization cycles on my major lifts similar to some power lifting routines but I was bodybuilder and fitness . Since that's when I was doing aikijutsu , BJJ , muy Thai , wing chin ect 8-12 hours day since my full time job actually required me to sleep overnight for few hours. Plus either travel or being stationed in Asia being able to train as pain free as possible was imperative . Any one knows me from past 15 years across comunitty knows I eventually succumbed to major spine surgery . Which was best decision I ever made . Most spine rehab may say that they do stabilization / streghth etc but personally for over decade I traveled globe and even in the boston area I tried many many alternatives . My doc at the NE baptist pioneered a method that when I had it done was experimental . My guys famous world wide for spine surgery . His office did the Kennedy's , Larry bird , shieks from Arabia etc people came from around globe to have him. However there are great surgeons every where just need to find . Every great surgeon also has great rehab team to condition patients back it their normal activities . Us here that work out - regular routine will not cut it . Doing stretching and body weight or using 3 pound dumb ells will never at any phase work for us. You first need doc who works with power and streghth athletes . People I have studied martial arts for past 40 years with go to orthopedic or physical therapy ( including myself ) are powerful guys that can do two way splits - we do not need stretching hence to a point is not of utmost importance . Your muscle in hips , sacral and spinal areas need to be strong enough to hold degenerated bones together . Not rely on belts or supports or temporary exercises . While good for momentary relief and to do your regular activities while still nursing unjury ! It is not long term . Even if you resort to surgery like I did - you will needs to compensate by making the muscle along spine and hip stronger . Stronger to exert power over arc or duration , stronger to prevent further damage and slow degenerative process . You need to build the area so tiny support muscle of hips , sacrum and spine erectors and thoracic to become internal supports . At point they replace belt or supports . I'm 51 now I use no supports unless injured . Of course if I was an Olympic or power lifter I would at times and meets but I do in my regular workouts use weights that many may think heavy . Example seated press behind neck I warm up with 225. Bent rows 225 also warm up but I exhaust my back with 20-25 Reps. I still teach and train in certain so called fighting systems / martial arts where we take turns throwing each other violently to floor. Most dojo I train we don't have padded spring floors , we train in a basement on concrete or on bare ground outside . ( reality ) my point is I punish my back and my surgery is maintained by making power support exercise regime as part of my regular routine since 1995. I can do more now 21 years post surgery at age 51 then when I was 18-25 years old . There is studies validating these theories but over past 26 years I'll ask you to find them if you need as I have lived it . Back problems suck ! Affects every thing you try to do sleep, stand , carry things etc. the main thing you always need is proper diagnosis through MRI and orthopedic specialist .NOT chiropractor. The chiro is some one you find secondary . Fact not opinion. Good luck I feel your pain

Thanks my brother and I respect your opinion and agree with you and others that my neglect has lead to my current situation. The solution is to find an authority, but the expense is a difficult thing. There are many who work with the local pro teams but dang I am a man of meager means. Seams like these guys always want multiple sessions is a short time. Nonetheless, my quest continues.

Hawk
 
chicken_hawk

chicken_hawk

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Btw, I stopped doing glute injections and that seams to have helped a bit. At least it lets me roll them out when otherwise the pocket of oil and or pain would not allow it.

Hawk
 
ketsugo

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Hey CH what ever happened with this ? Back better? Any further tips?
 
chicken_hawk

chicken_hawk

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Hey CH what ever happened with this ? Back better? Any further tips?
Hey Ketsugo,
So, my back is probably near 100% or as close as it will ever be. It appears to be the symptom of tight hips. I went the the MT every 2 weeks for 2 months and now scaled back for every third now. That was combined with morning stretching and pwo stretching.

Back is GTG now and I am back to squating and dling although nothing above 80% till I get back into the swing of things.

Thanks for asking,
Hawk
 
BackAtIt

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Your muscle in hips , sacral and spinal areas need to be strong enough to hold degenerated bones together . Not rely on belts or supports or temporary exercises . While good for momentary relief and to do your regular activities while still nursing unjury ! It is not long term . Even if you resort to surgery like I did - you will needs to compensate by making the muscle along spine and hip stronger . Stronger to exert power over arc or duration , stronger to prevent further damage and slow degenerative process . You need to build the area so tiny support muscle of hips , sacrum and spine erectors and thoracic to become internal supports . At point they replace belt or supports .



Enjoyed your post, friend!...What exercises can I do to strengthen these areas (hips, sacrum, thoracic and erectors)?... Maybe it will/could help my back issues!
 
ketsugo

ketsugo

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Hey Ketsugo,
So, my back is probably near 100% or as close as it will ever be. It appears to be the symptom of tight hips. I went the the MT every 2 weeks for 2 months and now scaled back for every third now. That was combined with morning stretching and pwo stretching.

Back is GTG now and I am back to squating and dling although nothing above 80% till I get back into the swing of things.

Thanks for asking,
Hawk

Interesting- lesson is that we can't always assume why back is messed up , need to enlist pro with testing etc . Glad your doing better
 
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