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Adambiceps

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I'm an amateur bodybuilder, im planning on competin again in april, as off now im using test E 300mg a week, i will be starting anadrol next week 50mg every day and i have some novorapid which ive started today at 3 iu's, im 28 6ft 200 lbs and roughly 8% now as i competed only 3 weeks ago... so im on a mini rebound and have gone up 20lbs mostly lean and some water/fat off course.. any ways im needin some advice as to insulin dose's currently im using pwo with 50g glucose powder and 60g whey straight after shot about 20 mins later i have a 30g whey shake and 1hour after shot i eat a lean meal, 40g protein from chicken, 50g carbs from spuds no fats... is this ok? i feel fine no hypo feeling no nothing... I have used 3 cycles of tests tren winny clen primo etc so im used to it by now.. any help would be appreciated thanks
 
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I'm an amateur advice giver-

Looks fine to me. You said you feel fine, no hypo, so.. I don't know what it is exactly you are looking for as a response. 3iu's is a rather low dose. Following the standard 10g carbs per iu is a good starting point for everyone. You are way over that eating 50gs post-shot, but that's perfectly ok. It takes a time or two running slin to figure out where your thresholds are as far as how many carbs you should eat and how your body is affected. If you're trying to straight up bulk, more the merrier in the carbs department. You do want to be careful not to go overboard and just get fat. But that is neither here nor there, just enjoy it and be safe and be keen to how your body responds.
 
Adambiceps

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Thanks for the reply, what i mean was by not feeling anything on 3 iu's is that should i go up to like 6ius pwo 2moro after training and still stick whith the 50g carb and protein shake to sort of test guage my reaction so i can find my "ideal" ratio's of slin to carb? im not too concerned with gaining fat because i stay pretty lean never over 12% even in offseason im lucky like that i guess.
 
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What are you expecting to feel exactly? Yes I would go up to 6iu. Have you looked at Mutant's slin protocol?
 
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when you FEEL the affects of insulin it usually is to late. YOU dont need to FEEL the affects....
 

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What are you expecting to feel exactly? Yes I would go up to 6iu. Have you looked at Mutant's slin protocol?

Mutants or Milos's protocol, seeing as mutant used Milos's as a template for his own and never gave credit for it.

3ius is plenty for a first timer, usually as far as dosing of slin I dont go up on the dosage until 2 weeks, if I go up at all.
You have to remember your pancreas is still going to be contributing insulin with all those carbs thats a good dose of slin.
Dont think because pros use 30ius of slin you need a whole shitload of the stuff, slin is powerful stuff.
 
Adambiceps

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Thanks for all you're replies, I was just reading Milos protocal and it looks interesting for sure but its sorta advanced for me at the moment, i prefer to start of slowly and see how I fair, I will run at 5iu's pwo and take none on off days? as of 2moro for a few weeks as Adjos said and see how that works... I'm not sure what I meant when I said I didnt feel anything but I guess if I feel it thats bad :)... Is there like a time scale as to when i'd notice the insulin working for me?
 
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Mutants or Milos's protocol, seeing as mutant used Milos's as a template for his own and never gave credit for it.

3ius is plenty for a first timer, usually as far as dosing of slin I dont go up on the dosage until 2 weeks, if I go up at all.
You have to remember your pancreas is still going to be contributing insulin with all those carbs thats a good dose of slin.
Dont think because pros use 30ius of slin you need a whole shitload of the stuff, slin is powerful stuff.

I've seen generalizations about Milo's protocol though I don't think I ever seen an exact protocol posted, I do remember him talking about taking slin both pre and post and taking carbs both during and after workout, if he posted an exact protocol I missed it. It doesn't make Mutant's protocol less valuable though.

Yes the pancreas is going to produce enough slin to cover the carbs ingested (actually a little more) but 6iu is still a very safe dose, I've learned over the years people are going to do what they are going to do for the most part so I'd rather see this person use 6iu instead of making a crazy jump.
 
Adambiceps

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I will run it at 5iu's for this time im hoping that because i have never used it before it will help with additional growth alongside test and other compounds... i have patience and i have found that conservitive dose's of stuff work best for me and my budget too lol... its a marathon not a race so im happy to gain maybe slower than others but safer maybe! Nut nut i appreciate the help also mate... im open to all suggestions and help
 

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This is a realy fast hiting insulin your using, I'd advise you to keep some fast acting carbs around, Orange juice, apple , whatever cause numbers of onset and peak , duration of slin are based on averages, and vary between individuals due to blood flow, injection site, temperature and exercise.

every inject seems to hit you a bit different to from my experience.
 
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This is a realy fast hiting insulin your using, I'd advise you to keep some fast acting carbs around, Orange juice, apple , whatever cause numbers of onset and peak , duration of slin are based on averages, and vary between individuals due to blood flow, injection site, temperature and exercise.

every inject seems to hit you a bit different to from my experience.

Jelly beans or a coke work well. I would actually recommend anyone doing slin grab a glucose meter, you go hypo before you even feel it and that can help catch it before you get severe. Also make sure the person with you has a glucose pen incase you freak and pass out or hypo hits real fast.
 

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I've seen generalizations about Milo's protocol though I don't think I ever seen an exact protocol posted, I do remember him talking about taking slin both pre and post and taking carbs both during and after workout, if he posted an exact protocol I missed it. It doesn't make Mutant's protocol less valuable though.

Yes the pancreas is going to produce enough slin to cover the carbs ingested (actually a little more) but 6iu is still a very safe dose, I've learned over the years people are going to do what they are going to do for the most part so I'd rather see this person use 6iu instead of making a crazy jump.

The problem with Mutants protocol is if you dont have the genetics to handle that kind of weight gain you tend to gain a lot more fat than muscle.
Mutant has some great genetics for bodybuilding, something the average reader usually does not.
When he first posted that he was talking about making a huge weight gain in a very short period of time and was also involving IGF and HGH in his daily regimin and combining it as part of his protocol.
No one is taking anything away from Mutant, its just that the originator which he got the template from was Milos, and he never gave the guy credit.
The use of pre-workout slin was around even before milos came out with his intitial slin protocol.
I also noticed that Mutant takes in some fats with his carb+slin, somehting I wouldnt do myself, and I have used a shit ton of slin.
As far as dosages, its up to who ever does it. I have taken mega doses 15 ius 2x's a day and done 3ius 3'x's a day.
At the end of the day the one thing you have to make sure of with slin is being careful how much fat you take in with slin timing and how fat you will get from it.

If your a beginner to slin, its easiest just to learn the ABC's of slin, sure read the protocols, from both of them if you want, but for a first timer I know that would seem a bit overwhelming.
 
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