Do OTC supplements really work?

[tightglutes]

I don't think so. Lets do some simple math. Poor college student wants to get big. Weighs his options on his budget. Steroids are legal and GNC still sells protein powder for $69 per can and "test boosters" for $99 per bottle. The kid tries GNC shit for a few months at $300 per month and is going way over his budget every month and seeing little to no gains. Hears he can get test for $35 per bottle and 200 dbol tabs for $50. He invests his $120 and in 6 weeks is up 25 pounds and his bench is up 50. Do you really think that kid is ever gonna buy a f u c kin "test booster" again? Nope! I don't give a f u c k what Jay or Ronnie say. The only people who believe them are 13-16 year olds that have no business touching gear anyway.


If you are over the age of 18 and still believe anyone in the mags is natural you are retarded plain and simple.

Still think there will be bitches out there scared to pin LOL

 

[tightglutes]

I was using viagra as an example. You seem to be fairly incapable of letting your guard down. One of those, "me vs. the world because I'm smart and everyone else is ignorant" kinda things.

It's tiring.

:food-snacking:.......

 

[SAD]

Still think there will be bitches out there scared to pin LOL

And the countless tens of million moral-Orels who wouldn't touch AAS if it were legal AND free, but will dump loads of money on "all-natural" supplements.

 

[tightglutes]

And the countless tens of million moral-Orels who wouldn't touch AAS if it were legal AND free, but will dump loads of money on "all-natural" supplements.

read your rep in your settings

 

[gunslinger]

Both creatine and glutamine work well for me when taken in large enough doses. You can call it the placebo effect if you want to but I don't seem to get any placebo effect with any of the other hyped sups out there. You would think if I was that susceptible to the placebo effect it would also work with a few of the other thousands of sups I've tried.

 

[Diesel0022]

On my iPhone I see no bold print but from others I'm guessing we taking glutamine? Actually a very powerful nutrient improves nitrogen retention , I use it to help recovery but more importantly build immune system - I don't believe it's placebo at all. Necessary ? Not sure but beneficial absolutely !!!! Training hard and working odd hours, compromises our ability to fight infection. You need to stay healthy to train like a demon . Glutamine helps - I usually get a powder with extra glutamine , but now and them if I have extra cash I like to get a combo of free form l glutamine and peptides - it's nutritional support basically . For years I trained natural 15 - glutamine I was religious . I probably kept the area health food store in business . However food always comes first eat well . Spend most of your money at grocery store

At 10G/ED it will improve intracellular nitrogen balance and immune functions, than again, if you take 2 scoops of WP/Day you are nearly reaching the efficacious exogenous threshold anyway. Combined with endogenous glutamine, the most abundant AA in the body. Therefore negating any positive causative factors you may attain from separate supplementation.

If you want to talk about the golden age of bodybuilding, they praised a high carb diet over high protein, thought CEE actually did something, and used arginine for pumps.

But your last statement, I wholeheartedly agree. People put too much faith in these supplements and not enough on nutrition.

Both creatine and glutamine work well for me when taken in large enough doses. You can call it the placebo effect if you want to but I don't seem to get any placebo effect with any of the other hyped sups out there. You would think if I was that susceptible to the placebo effect it would also work with a few of the other thousands of sups I've tried.

Creatine is not dose dependent.

 

[ketsugo]

Yeah my mrp has 10g in it and most whey isolate I use has a ton. We deplete a ton by training hard

 

[Diesel0022]

Glutamine serves as a gluconeogenic precursor when muscle glycogen is depleted by approximately 90%, however, resistance training typically produces approximately 40% depletion in muscle glycogen, which may not be severe enough to benefit from glutamine supplementation. Than again, 99.9% of the human population will never reach a state where it is necessitated. There is a vast amount of data to prove and conclude its ineffectiveness.

With the exception of supplemental glutamine's beneficial role in gastrointestinal disorders (and general gut health), sepsis, and for the recovery from trauma and or surgery.... there's not much sense in administering a product that is very much limited in it's availability for physiological uptake, due to the fact that it's endogenous levels (prior to supplementation) are double the concentration of any other amino acid within the human body. Additionally, free form glutamine is unstable in solution at physiological pH.

http://ogrestrengthpharmacology.webnode.com/news/glutamine-worthless-for-recover-worthless-for-immune-system/

 

[shortz]

Both creatine and glutamine work well for me when taken in large enough doses. You can call it the placebo effect if you want to but I don't seem to get any placebo effect with any of the other hyped sups out there. You would think if I was that susceptible to the placebo effect it would also work with a few of the other thousands of sups I've tried.

Creatine does work, I believe. There are just too many studies out there, and too many people who have gotten results from it. Glutamine, OTOH, will work in one situation...you're under eating protein! It's a big waste of money if you're protein consumption is very high. I believe glutamine has its place though. One being if you work out fasted, like in an IF diet type set up, the other is if you're dieting and need the extra protein without sacrificing your carbs/fats. Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid out there. It's in every kind of meat, eggs, beans etc.

 

[Diesel0022]

Creatine does work, I believe. There are just too many studies out there, and too many people who have gotten results from it. Glutamine, OTOH, will work in one situation...you're under eating protein! It's a big waste of money if you're protein consumption is very high. I believe glutamine has its place though. One being if you work out fasted, like in an IF diet type set up, the other is if you're dieting and need the extra protein without sacrificing your carbs/fats. Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid out there. It's in every kind of meat, eggs, beans etc.

Wat...........

 

[SAD]

Wat...........

Wrong. Jesus, this board is worse than encyclopedianerds.com.

It's spelled "W-----H-----A-----T". Essentially, the "H" is essential because in essence, it essentially extends the enunciation of the "W".

 

[Diesel0022]

Wrong. Jesus, this board is worse than encyclopedianerds.com.

It's spelled "W-----H-----A-----T". Essentially, the "H" is essential because in essence, it essentially extends the enunciation of the "W".

Wait wut..