Mar 15, 2017 I've been remodeling my new house, tearing out some plaster, eliminating knob and tube electrical and re-plumbing with copper. My shoulders and hips (from stand on ladders) and hands were killing me. Started Deca and boom. Much better. I also started this Product called Invictus by Iron Legion. Holy Shit it works just as good as Deca and it's a TD. I guess it lowers cortisol levels. Seems to help.