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jipped genes

jipped genes

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Hey, my wife and I max out our contributions from work in our 457s and 401Ks. Should we continue pumping $ in these even with the negative trend of the markets? I assume, keep buying while low and when/if it comes back I will be set. I want to retire early in 6-7 years but if the $ is not right I won't. I am kinda dumb/ignorant with this stuff. We save a lot but do not really know anything about maximizing growth.
 
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Hey, my wife and I max out our contributions from work in our 457s and 401Ks. Should we continue pumping $ in these even with the negative trend of the markets? I assume, keep buying while low and when/if it comes back I will be set. I want to retire early in 6-7 years but if the $ is not right I won't. I am kinda dumb/ignorant with this stuff. We save a lot but do not really know anything about maximizing growth.
Yes absolutely!

Personally, this year I’m front loading my 401K contributions because I feel the stock market will recover significantly sometime by the spring/summer time. Nobody can time it perfectly, but don’t stop investing.
 
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We are headed to a massive depression no way around it. I would expect to lose 40% this year in the 401k.
 
jipped genes

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We are headed to a massive depression no way around it. I would expect to lose 40% this year in the 401k.
Awesome....sarcasm. I moved most of mine from the aggressive to moderately conservative at the start of covid. I have mitigated some loss but I guess there is no way around what we are headed for.
 
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“Cryptocurrency lender Celsius was “insolvent since inception,” investigation finds.

An investigation into Celsius found its collapse was about much more than just the price of Bitcoin.

Turns out the Celsius Network, a cryptocurrency lender that promised customers 17% annual yields on their deposits, was indeed too good to be true.

The company halted withdrawals and transfers in June 2022 amid a liquidity crisis, citing “extreme market conditions.” The price of bitcoin had halved in two month’s time. In June, Celsius filed for bankruptcy and its founder and CEO, Alex Mashinsky, resigned in September.

But according to a court-ordered investigation into the company, the falling price of Bitcoin was only part of the problem. Celsius’s failure was, in fact, intrinsic to its business model, the investigators found.

“Celsius Network on a stand-alone basis has been insolvent since inception,” wrote Shoba Pillay, the former federal prosecutor tasked with investigating the company, in a report (pdf) released on Jan. 31.

Mashinsky, who founded Celsius in 2017, spent years slamming critics of his business for spreading “FUD” — crypto-speak meaning “fear, uncertainty, and doubt.” But the examiner’s report appears to vindicate those doubters.

“Behind the scenes, Celsius conducted its business in a starkly different manner than how it marketed itself to its customers in every key respect,” Pillay wrote.

The report says that while Mashinsky promised customers their deposits were safe with Celsius, he and other executives were actually using those deposits to buy and prop up CEL, the company’s native cryptocurrency, while they sold their individual stakes in the coin for profit. The maneuver benefited Celsius’s executives while further depleting their company’s liquidity.

Was Celsius a Ponzi scheme?

Martin Glenn, the bankruptcy judge for the Southern District of New York, appointed Pillay in part to investigate claims that Celsius was operating as a Ponzi scheme, a specific kind of financial scam in which there is no real product and early investors are paid out with deposits from later investors.

While Pillay did not explicitly say if Celsius met the criteria for such a scheme, her findings implied it.

“In some instances, however, between June 9 and June 12, Celsius did directly use new customer deposits to fund customer withdrawal requests,” Pillay wrote.

Employee testimony included in the report also indicated there were concerns internally that the company operated a Ponzi scheme.

In one case, an unnamed employee wrote in April 2022 that the company’s use of customer coins to buy CEL was “very Ponzi like.” Back in January 2021, another employee named wrote that his title should be “Ponzi consultant,” though he told the examiner this was just a “poor joke” and he wasn’t concerned at the time that the company was, in fact, running a Ponzi scheme.

The report will likely place additional pressure on Mashinsky, who agreed to the examiner’s report in a deal with federal and state investigators probing him for fraud. In a separate case, the New York attorney general in January filed suit against Mashinsky for defrauding investors.”


 
Warhead14

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All crypto is a ponzi scheme, always has been. Been short selling all the major fundamentals and crushing it. I have longs in BRK.B, TSLA, BILL , ADBE and about 60 positions in small caps. Did 327k last year all on shorting. Almost half of which goes to capital gains taxes. Crypto is a gimmick and will not survive. It challenges the Federal Reserve, and that will never work.... ever.
 
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Trip

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i have kind of come to the conclusion that crypto is just in essence a new form of gold for folks below 30

things kind of happen in certain ways, and agree with warhead it's a bunch of bs.....it ain't real money that is for sure

anyways, covid and subsidies and time and young folks went nutzo, i met a few youngs trading stuff on there phone and i asked if they knew xyz, etc., nope nope and nope

stick to the plan Jipper, u buy when low....average in, etc.

i am not negative on the market this year.......i am kind of the flat to a little up by year end

i posted this many many times, THE ROARING 20'S, will repeat.....so u get a super bull market 24 threw 28
 
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Trip

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of, for those who have heard me before....MATH IS NOT MONEY, ie crypto

math has no limits
 
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of, for those who have heard me before....MATH IS NOT MONEY, ie crypto

math has no limits
Crypto is freedom, especially when gov't & family cannot be trusted (w/ an emergency fu fund). Grateful for the opportunities afforded by Bitcoin.
 
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