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COVID: i can't believe it (death certs)

JackD

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I agree with Mike, lots of hospitals have people that don’t normally fill out death certs, fill them out, so mistakes are possible.

I know here if someone has the virus but dies of a brain aneurism, they’ll say it’s Covid because that person has the virus. the medical community isn’t sure if the death was actually caused by the virus or not. Still more research needs to be done.
 
Bigtex

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This is interesting..........Funeral directors have been contacting Project Veritas and asserting that deaths are being falsely attributed to coronavirus in order to inflate the number of deaths.
 
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If she does not have the virus call the office of the county medical examiner and they will fix the death certificate. If the person was tested and it came back negative, it is in her EMR and cannot be faked. That said everyone who IS found positive and dies for any other reason (while positive) is being counted as a Covid-19 death.
So a 90 year old man falls and breaks his hip. He goes into the hospital covid19 negative (tested and documented in ER). He survives 3 days, then dies. He is tested postmortem as covid19 positive. Clearly he got the virus sometime while in the hospital, in that 3 day window. Most probably not enough time for the virus to kill him. But he is given COD as covid19 on death certificate.

Now, his poor widow has an accidental death and dismemberment policy on him for $75,000. Not a lot, but they didnt need much, didnt have much and couldn't afford much. But damn sure that $75,000 will make the last few years of her life a bit more comfortable. She needs that money to pay a few bills off too. About half of it will get her debt free.

She gets the death certificate and it says COD is covid19. The insurance company won't pay the $75k policy since it wasn't an accidental death. What the hell is she to do? If it were the flu she'd get a COD of broken hip due to fall. Anything else and COD would be accidental death.

Now little old lady is fucked due to politics and money grabbing. Probably not the first time, but most likely her last.

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My buddy's dad was admitted to a hospital, he was tested and came back negative, the day before he passed he was tested and died before the test came back. When the test result came back it was negative. The family just received his DC. Coronavirus.

This is in Kentucky.
 
ItalianMuscle

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Hospitals receive 13k per 'covid' and 39k if a ventelator could be claimed to have been used, looked at or seen . I just read all the lengthy explainations, if it takes paragraph after paragraph to deflect, minimize and 'explain' its BS.

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I was just going to mention that. Anytime a person dies in the hospital now, they attach a covid 19 to the cause of death on the death cert.
I never bought for one second that all these deaths are caused by covid 19. Hospitals get money for each death..

On a serious note, the entire world should hold china accountable for this. All of USAs debt to them, should be a wash. Were done paying any money back. This virus started in the wuhan secret covid lab. I dont buy for one second either that it was 'accidentally' let out. Fucking bullshit. Then they blame it on a wet market that was over 50 miles away from the lab. These Chinese communist assclowns should be blown off the planet and we wont have to worry about any more viruses, being mysteriously or accidentally let out.

Then the mysterious 'Bat Woman' Chinese virologist Shi Zhengli , wont talk anymore. Go figure. And the other doctor( Dr. Ai Fen) talked to 2 journalists,(Fang Bin and Chen Qiushiall) all 3 mysteriously vanished. Probably murdered by the communist Chinese party.. For their reports, blogs on the covid 19 virus.
 
Jin

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There may be corruption and incompetence when determining cause of death. But there is excess mortality all across the country.

While people have been locked inside the death rate has increased dramatically in NYC.

Less crime. Less/non existent traffic deaths. Less workplace deaths. Yet still the death count is double what would be normal for this time of year.

Since we are in the middle of a pandemic I would attribute those deaths to the virus.

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@ItalianMuscle I love the idea of not paying the CCP our owed debt.

@Mike_RN can you comment about hospitals receiving money for each case of Covid?
 
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NavyChief

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Maybe there is some shit happening here or there around the US, but read and look at pics of what's happening in Bazil and other Latin countries. Dead bodies, so many they litter the street still because they cant keep up. Trenches dug to bury so many dead from this virus.
 
NavyChief

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It is plausible that Medicare is paying hospital fees for some COVID-19 cases in the range of the figures given by Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota state senator, during a Fox News interview.
What's False
However, Medicare says it does not make standard, one-size-fits-all payments to hospitals for patients admitted with COVID-19 diagnoses and placed on ventilators. The $13,000 and $39,000 figures appear to be based on generic industry estimates for admitting and treating patients with similar conditions.
 
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At the beginning of May 2020, widely circulated social media posts asserted that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had substantially revised their figures for the number of deaths in the U.S. caused by the COVID-19 coronavirus disease, from 60,000 down to about 37,000:
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These posts fed into conspiracy theories holding that the COVID-19 pandemic was not nearly as serious as suggested by the government and the news media, and that the “true” mortality figures were being deceptively inflated to achieve some ulterior purpose.

However, this claim was not true, and it was the result of comparing two separate data sources that report different measurements.
The link included in the above tweet points to the CDC’s Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) page, which provides provisional death totals by week and state according to the following criteria:
The provisional data presented on this page include the weekly provisional count of deaths in the United States due to COVID-19, deaths from all causes and percent of expected deaths (i.e., number of deaths received over number of deaths expected based on data from previous years), pneumonia deaths (excluding pneumonia deaths involving influenza), pneumonia deaths involving COVID-19, influenza deaths, and deaths involving pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19; (a) by week ending date and (b) by specific jurisdictions.​
As of May 1, 2020, that page reported the total number of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. as being 37,308:
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However, that page also notes that the provisional data it displays are continually revised, may be incomplete, likely will not include more recent deaths, and may differ from other published sources because data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks:
The provisional counts for coronavirus disease (COVID-19) deaths are based on a current flow of mortality data in the National Vital Statistics System. National provisional counts include deaths occurring within the 50 states and the District of Columbia that have been received and coded as of the date specified. It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1–2 weeks.
Provisional death counts may not match counts from other sources, such as media reports or numbers from county health departments. Our counts often track 1–2 weeks behind other data for a number of reasons: Death certificates take time to be completed. There are many steps involved in completing and submitting a death certificate. Waiting for test results can create additional delays. States report at different rates. Currently, 63% of all U.S. deaths are reported within 10 days of the date of death, but there is significant variation among jurisdictions. It takes extra time to code COVID-19 deaths. While 80% of deaths are electronically processed and coded by NCHS within minutes, most deaths from COVID-19 must be coded manually, which takes an average of 7 days. Other reporting systems use different definitions or methods for counting deaths.​
That 37,308 was not a drastic downward revision of any previously reported death total. Rather, it only might have seemed such because it was mistakenly compared to the number of deaths reported on the CDC’s COVID-19 Cases in the U.S. page, which as of May 3, 2020, displayed a total of 65,735 deaths:
 
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Why such a large discrepancy? Because as latter page’s “About the Data” section explains, its data are updated daily based on “Case notifications received by CDC from U.S. public health jurisdictions and the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS)” and includes “both confirmed and probable deaths.” This more up-to-date page will obviously report higher death figures that one whose data lag by 1-2 weeks.
Indeed, two weeks earlier, the “Cases in the U.S.” page had displayed a total of 35,443 deaths, a number much closer to the 37,308 figure reported by the “Provisional Death Counts” with its 1-2 week data lag.
In short, this claim is like comparing stock prices from a two-week-old newspaper with those offered today by a cable news station, and then attributing any differences to a conspiracy rather than the mere passage of time as reflected in more current reporting.
 
BackAtIt

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There may be corruption and incompetence when determining cause of death. But there is excess mortality all across the country.



@Mike_RN can you comment about hospitals receiving money for each case of Covid?


Ditto?....

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