Calories and when the system hates carnivore

[WhiteApe]

Sorry you took it that way. Few of my comments were directed at you and most we directed at this Carnivore diet and Europeans account of Americans being lazy people. We are not carnivore and we are actually better equipped to eat carbs.

What shortened life span in the 1900's, a combination of socioeconomic, health, and structural factors. We know people in the city lived in horrible conditions. People in the rural areas live very hard lives. No electricity, little water, very hard environmental condition because they had no AC, little heat and poorly structured homes. Even now, people in more rural towns have less access to good health care,

The low fat had a huge effect because we need fat and we need protein, what we don't need is all of the high sugar, highly processed food that came about in this time period pushed by lobbyists. 70% of children’s calories now come from ultra processed foods, contributing to obesity, diabetes, and other chronic conditions. Any time we have foods that are man-made, the body doesn't recognize it so well and may cause health problems. hydrogenated vegetable oil margarine was a great example. The second part of the equation seems to be the elephant in the room few want to talk about is exercise. Since the 60's exercise has decreased dramatically. In fact, according to WHO, 60 to 85% of people in the world—from both developed and developing countries—lead sedentary lifestyles, making it one of the more serious yet insufficiently addressed public health problems of our time. Today American children are experiencing unprecedented levels of inactivity, screen use, sleep deprivation, and chronic stress. These 6 factors significantly contribute to the rise in chronic diseases and mental health challenges.

My wife is a city girl from Buenos Aires. Her grand father was in the rural areas and was a Gaucho. They ate a huge amount of meet and my wife still does. They also believe in health cures from the local witches. They still have working ranches there you can vacation there and be a Gaucho and experience the life. Not much different from a ranchers life her in Texas.

Again, my intention were not to beat up on you. Just expose people to historical facts about America. These same stories I grew up with and rember my mothers parents very well, no AC, very little water and the were poor dirt farmers who looked very rough from living a hard life in West Texas.

No harm done amigo. I appreciate you putting so much effort into these posts. And the lived experiences of you and your family.

I agree with what you say. The book covered all the vegetable oil and trans fat highlights. Our bodies seem to not know how to deal with the man made. They also wonder if what they have substituted in place of partially hydrogenated oils is actually worse for us. Some items went back to palm oil, some fully hydrogenated oils (which appbut a lot of the processed foods now have multiple lab items in it to replace the fats of decades ago that were created after the saturated fat scare.

it also raised the question of correlation between low cholesterol and higher risks of dementia. Which I’ve heard the argument from both sides over the years.

What’s everyone’s thought on saturated fat being the driver behind insulin resistance? From what I have heard/read is that saturated fat blocks insulin receptors which is why one shouldn’t eat high fat and carb together.

seems logical. I don’t think glucose spikes are inherently bad for us as long as we are insulin sensitive. I think the body not being able to clear the blood sugar spikes out is the issue. Not the spike itself.

 

[Bigtex]

Agree 100% BigTex. My dad was born in 1930. At the age of 15 he moved from Missouri to the coal mines of California to be able to send money home to support his family (his dad died). Even before 15 he was working at a local dairy at the age of 12. Every generation we get a little softer.

Look at how immigrants come in the US and are successful and own small businesses. They work their asses off. Fewer and fewer Americans are willing to put in that kind of work. I see it in my work. all the "kids" or 30 somethings are gone at quitting time. Us old OGs are putting in 10-12 hours even though we are on salary. Americans are not hungry. We have never had to struggle. Not like others have. Struggle is healthy for your mind and body. It makes you stronger.

I agree 100%. I deal with this Generation Z every day in college classes. Their skills to succeed are horrible. I have to literally spoon feed everything to them and they are like sheep and never question what they are being told. Like zombies who have to be told every day to show up for the class their parents paid for.

 

[Bigtex]

No harm done amigo. I appreciate you putting so much effort into these posts. And the lived experiences of you and your family.

I agree with what you say. The book covered all the vegetable oil and trans fat highlights. Our bodies seem to not know how to deal with the man made. They also wonder if what they have substituted in place of partially hydrogenated oils is actually worse for us. Some items went back to palm oil, some fully hydrogenated oils (which appbut a lot of the processed foods now have multiple lab items in it to replace the fats of decades ago that were created after the saturated fat scare.

it also raised the question of correlation between low cholesterol and higher risks of dementia. Which I’ve heard the argument from both sides over the years.

What’s everyone’s thought on saturated fat being the driver behind insulin resistance? From what I have heard/read is that

s which is why one shouldn’t eat high fat and carb together.

seems logical. I don’t think glucose spikes are inherently bad for us as long as we are insulin sensitive. I think the body not being able to clear the blood sugar spikes out is the issue. Not the spike itself.

Thanks @WhiteApe

I don't thnk current research shows saturated fats being the dirver of insulin resistance. Higher saturated fat intake (especially from whole foods) tends to either improve insulin sensitivity or be neutral. The single strongest predictor of insulin resistance is visceral and liver fat accumulation due to excess energy intake. Large randomized trials (e.g., Diogenes, DIRECT, Framingham cohort re-analyses) consistently show that high-glycemic-load diets worsen insulin resistance. Multiple mechanistic and observational studies (e.g., Sydney Diet Heart Study re-analysis, Ramsden et al. 2016, Minnesota Coronary Experiment recovery) show replacing saturated fat with omega-6-rich oils increases oxidized LDL and worsens insulin resistance.

In short, the bigger offenders are chronic overeating, sugar/refined carbs, excess, and (paradoxically) the industrial seed oils that replaced saturated fats starting in the 1970s–80s. As far as dementia, it seems that is not so much low cholesterol as it is low, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C, the "good" cholesterol) is linked to a modestly higher dementia risk, while extremely high HDL-C may also elevate it slightly. What could possible happen.....physical inactivity / sedentary lifestyle, as we drop our level of physical activity, HDL-C levels also drop. Obesity (especially visceral/abdominal fat) is another factor that causes HDL-C to drop. Another factor, high refined carbohydrate / added sugar intake. We have in fact set ourselves up for higher dementia risks over the past 50 years. More....very-low-fat diets (<20 % of calories from fat), smoking, excessive alcohol intakes, insulin resistance / Type 2 diabetes, Metabolic syndrome and high triglycerides (>150–200 mg).

That saturated fat directly blocks insulin receptors and therefore high-fat + high-carb meals are uniquely harmful — is a persistent myth that does not hold up to modern human evidence. It seems the post-meal insulin and glucose response is primarily determined by total carbohydrate amount and quality, not by the presence of fat. People who reverse type 2 diabetes most reliably do so on **very high-fat, moderate-protein, low-carb diets (often 60–75 % fat, much of it saturated). Here is another fact, when you add any kind of fat (saturated, monounsaturated, or polyunsaturated) to a high-sugar or high-refined-carb meal, it slows down the digestion and absorption of the carbohydrate. This reliably lowers the blood-glucose spike and the insulin response compared with eating the same carbs alone or with only protein.

Very good questions and I am proud to be able to help every here understand things like this. This is what I teach at my current job and I am defintely not a typical nutrition/physiology teacher. Very unconventional. But they allow me to teach what I want.