arnold
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- Sep 9, 2010
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Guys,
Hoping to get a good discussion going here on insulin. Insulin is undoubtedly a main contributor to today's biggest freaks looking the way they do. Insulin is an interesting and somewhat complex compound to understand (specifically when optimizing its use for bodybuilding). There are plenty of conventional recommendations for PWO insulin use blah blah we all have heard this before- fast acting insulin with 7-10carbs per iu and then a clean carb+protein+low fat meal 1:30mins after this to ensure quick acting preferential nutrients during the end of the insulin's active window.
There are a few other theories I wish to touch on here:
-One belongs to Milos Sarcev and the like- PRE-workout insulin use
some info here: (if anyone has links- post away) However he advocates using fast acting insulin PRE workout and then making sure to have available nutrients to be driven into the muscle during the workout (when blood flow to muscle is maximized). we can discuss details later on
comments:I am a firm believer that pre/intra workout nutrition is as, if not more important that post workout nutrition. Recent studies are suggesting this as well. I have had much success with myself and my clients using a pre/intra workout nutrition program (with and without exogenous insulin use). Again, details later
-The other belongs to a fellow board member- Maxititer - LONG ACTING insulin use.
comments: This is a view that troubles people. As humans we naturally secrete basal insulin in response to food intake. However Maxititer suggests that providing supra-physiological doses of long acting insulin keeps the body in a stronger anti-catabolic and anabolic state. (keep in mind this state of anabolism occurs for FAT as much as it does MUSCLE - insulin isn't selective). The two drugs mainly discussed here are Lantus (preferred) and levemir (only advantage is purportedly less fat accumulation). I would be interested to get a discussion going about this- What type of advantage the exogenous insulin will have over natural basal insulin, what type of nutritional changes must occur to compensate for the additional insulin, does this method TRULY not interfere with endogenous insulin production? etc
Hoping to get a good discussion going here on insulin. Insulin is undoubtedly a main contributor to today's biggest freaks looking the way they do. Insulin is an interesting and somewhat complex compound to understand (specifically when optimizing its use for bodybuilding). There are plenty of conventional recommendations for PWO insulin use blah blah we all have heard this before- fast acting insulin with 7-10carbs per iu and then a clean carb+protein+low fat meal 1:30mins after this to ensure quick acting preferential nutrients during the end of the insulin's active window.
There are a few other theories I wish to touch on here:
-One belongs to Milos Sarcev and the like- PRE-workout insulin use
some info here: (if anyone has links- post away) However he advocates using fast acting insulin PRE workout and then making sure to have available nutrients to be driven into the muscle during the workout (when blood flow to muscle is maximized). we can discuss details later on
comments:I am a firm believer that pre/intra workout nutrition is as, if not more important that post workout nutrition. Recent studies are suggesting this as well. I have had much success with myself and my clients using a pre/intra workout nutrition program (with and without exogenous insulin use). Again, details later
-The other belongs to a fellow board member- Maxititer - LONG ACTING insulin use.
comments: This is a view that troubles people. As humans we naturally secrete basal insulin in response to food intake. However Maxititer suggests that providing supra-physiological doses of long acting insulin keeps the body in a stronger anti-catabolic and anabolic state. (keep in mind this state of anabolism occurs for FAT as much as it does MUSCLE - insulin isn't selective). The two drugs mainly discussed here are Lantus (preferred) and levemir (only advantage is purportedly less fat accumulation). I would be interested to get a discussion going about this- What type of advantage the exogenous insulin will have over natural basal insulin, what type of nutritional changes must occur to compensate for the additional insulin, does this method TRULY not interfere with endogenous insulin production? etc