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Anyone Watching the Derek Chauvin Trial?

hawkeye

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He won't be convicted of murder because the intent element won't be met. He'll be convicted on a lesser charge, and since the media has been covering this whole thing so inaccurately there will be rioting because of the lesser charge. You know, racism and all.....
You're right, Tommy, that's what I think too. I think right now it's a charge of second degree murder. I could see an involuntary manslaughter charge sticking more than a murder rap, but people want blood and I think Chauvin will get railroaded. Someone has to be the scapegoat otherwise this thing is gonna blow up. I don't think Chauvin is necessarily a good cop, but i don't believe he is guilty of murder.
 
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I'm just worried he'll be convicted wrongly, kind of the opposite of the O.J. Simpson being found innocent wrongly, because of the fear of the reaction of the lawless just waiting for an excuse to do more smash-and-grab.

I'm so glad my girlfriend moved away from Loring Park, Minneapolis. Being white in the wrong neighborhood is still asking to get shot without warning.
 
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I looked at the autopsy report (online of course),which may or may not be accurate, and it did not show any type of trauma to his wind pipe, carotid artery or even any sign of damage to his brain from being choked, or restrained via the neck area...Again, tho, this was obtained online...

They tried to shoot down the EXD, drug over dose, etc theories yesterday....Should be interesting to see how the cross goes with the defense boys...
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Yeah, it was brought up by the defense regarding all you mentioned about the autopsy coupled with the other cam footage of Chauvin's knee not being on Floyd's throat and on his shoulder blade. So they are pushing back. If anything, the defense is trying to push that Chauvin's use of force was not the main factor in Floyd dying but the lethal does of illicit drugs he ingested.

They showed evidence found two weeks later of fentanyl tabs with his DNA on the squad car floor mat with DNA from Floyd on it. How do you miss that??? Camera footage indicates Floyd saying "I can't breath" while in the squad car prior to even being pulled out and taken to the ground. This obviously is the battle cry for many of the protests (I can't breath) and etc. He also is heard saying "I ate alot of drugs."

What Chauvin could be potentially charged with is the involuntary manslaughter or manslaughter charge because of failing to render aid. Emergency responder witness have basically said they weren't allowed to render aid, and that officers did not render aid. That part I am not sure there is much defense to. Not 100% but I believe I also heard that Floyd was still alive when he arrived at the ER. Don't quote me on that but that also would potentially lead a reasonable person to believe the overdose killed him and not Chauvin.
 
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Yeah, it was brought up by the defense regarding all you mentioned about the autopsy coupled with the other cam footage of Chauvin's knee not being on Floyd's throat and on his shoulder blade. So they are pushing back. If anything, the defense is trying to push that Chauvin's use of force was not the main factor in Floyd dying but the lethal does of illicit drugs he ingested.
I agree with the defense based on the vid and autopsy report that I saw and read...

When u look at one of the vids, I can't see where Chauvin is using excess force...The one I saw shows him with his hands in his pockets and he is not straining at all to control Floyd....As a matter of fact, it appears as tho Chauvin was releasing and reapplying his knee into the back frequently?....It's hard to take that as "excessive" force...U would think that Chauvin would have had to use his hands and continue to apply pressure if he were guilty of using "excessive" force...

Also, when u review the vid for any length of time, it appears as tho Chauvin is calm (considering the circumstances) and waiting on something?...If he (Chauvin) suspected Floyd of experiencing EXD then that would make sense....Someone on another board was saying that Chauvin told one of his colleagues that Floyd was in an state of EXD...So then, Chauvins' actions reflect EXACTLY what a person should do for someone in that status....From what I researched on EXD (which is a controversial subject in the medical field),u can't do anything medically for the person except for trying to restrain them from hurting others or more than anything, themselves....Usually a tranquilizer of some sort is used to calm the person down and hopefully they will go back to normal...Again, if this is accurate, then Chauvin did what he was suppose to by text book standards!....


They showed evidence found two weeks later of fentanyl tabs with his DNA on the squad car floor mat with DNA from Floyd on it. How do you miss that??? Camera footage indicates Floyd saying "I can't breath" while in the squad car prior to even being pulled out and taken to the ground. This obviously is the battle cry for many of the protests (I can't breath) and etc. He also is heard saying "I ate a lot of drugs."
If they have solid proof of this, then I don't see how Chauvin can even be considered as an "murderer, or a man who committed manslaughter"....This would indicate Floyd is already beginning to experience od systems...


What Chauvin could be potentially charged with is the involuntary manslaughter or manslaughter charge because of failing to render aid. Emergency responder witness have basically said they weren't allowed to render aid, and that officers did not render aid. That part I am not sure there is much defense to. Not 100% but I believe I also heard that Floyd was still alive when he arrived at the ER. Don't quote me on that but that also would potentially lead a reasonable person to believe the overdose killed him and not Chauvin.
Again, if Chauvin thought he (Floyd) was experiencing EXD, I don't see how even any kind of manslaughter charge could be justified....Chauvin did exactly what one should do in that type of scenario!....

It would be crying shame if he was convicted of anything in this case...Now, if he did refuse to allow the ER's to intervein that would be an issue....However, when I watched the vid (only saw one),it doesn't look that way...Again tho, if Floyd was experiencing EXD, there isn't much one can do for that person, unless they can give him a tranquilizer, which doesn't work majority of the time from what I researched....

I'm with u on it as far as OD and I suspect EXD were the culprits!....

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It will be real interesting with what the prosecution laid out and how the jury takes it all in. I still think with how our social climate is, they want blood and their is pressure to give them that. But I cannot see how with the charges laid out, how Chauvin is guilty of what he is charged with. Furthermore, the other officers are set for trial in August. Does the prosecution attempt to plea bargain or flip them for a lesser included charge or a deal? With what I see, I sense the other officers have a good chance of having their charges completely dismissed. Again, if one looks at this in a reasonable manner, the prosecution has not proven their case.

I thought the defense created a lot of doubt in their redirection of the police chief and FBI use of force expert along with some damn evidence from other footage and evidence discovered. One of the emergency responders (the female EMT) became very hostile and argumentative with redirection by the defense, and the judge tuned her up. I think her credibility is now in question along with a very strong bias against Chauvin.
 
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All I know is that Chauvin's life is over. He'll go to prison, and have a huge target on his back.

But that won't stop the rioting. Minneapolis is going to burn again one way or another. The authorities there simply don't have the political will to stop it. They've shown that clearly over the past 12 months. It's sad. It was a decent city not too long ago. Usually socialism takes longer to destroy a thriving area, but they set a record there!
 
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I've not been watching this trial, I really have no desire, but I really appreciate the facts you presented. This is the first time I actually heard some facts. Of course, this is a sensitive subject, but shit, I'm over all of this, protests, and destruction of property.
 
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If a police officer stood by while a person who was overdosing on opiates died, he'd be liable in some way. Knee on neck or not, he didn't render aid to a guy who said "he swallowed too much drugs".
 
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If a police officer stood by while a person who was overdosing on opiates died, he'd be liable in some way. Knee on neck or not, he didn't render aid to a guy who said "he swallowed too much drugs".
Totally agree. That cop is guilty, but not guilty of murder, and if he's not convicted of murder (which I don't think will happen) rioting will occur, and all we'll hear about is how this is evidence of systemic racism. And I don't think the rioting will be limited to Minneapolis. Police departments should have all hands on deck in every major city, because BLM and company are just looking for an excuse.
 
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You can expect rioting when the trial is over no matter what. This country is in the process of being liquidated, invaded and destroyed. BLM is just one small part of their maoist color revolution.
 
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If a police officer stood by while a person who was overdosing on opiates died, he'd be liable in some way. Knee on neck or not, he didn't render aid to a guy who said "he swallowed too much drugs".
The quote I saw on one news source was similar but was actually "I ate too many drugs" when a witness was being cross-examined by both attorneys. The witness at first agreed that this was what was said during one video, and then later decided he had really heard Floyd say "I ain't" do no drugs" when asked to view another video of the same incident.

Kinda like what I said in a recent rare post of mine in another thread, in a discussion that imo has no place on bodybuilding boards and will eventually harm rather than preserve such boards ... unless any of us was at the scene or is privvy to the actual sworn testimony (all of it) in the courtroom, our opinions are all shaped by which news sources we choose to believe. Too often, too many people only expose themselves to news sources that tell them what they already decided they want to hear ... a fact the news sources' accountants counsel their ratings analysts and "news" editors on.
 
69nites

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His defense attorney is doing a fantastic job, prosecutors not so much.

Even things like the knee on neck being a trained technique.

They don't say why it's used in the context of applying cuffs. If you use the superior position of control using your back knee between the shoulder blades it's difficult to apply the cuffs. It's a transitional position never meant for long term restraint.

The jury is never going to know that. I wonder if the police officers are even being trained this either.

One of the most offensive thing to me as someone very familiar with grappling, there's no way he didn't know Floyd had lost conciseness when Floyd's neck would have relaxed. He felt so comfortable and not threatened in the situation that he felt he didn't need his hand and could put it in his pocket but didn't care to check on the guy under his knee. Even more so when he stopped breathing. That's a level of negligence.

If the trial ended right now, it would be impossible for me to find him guilty despite the fact that I know with the right information I would find him to be criminally negligent. It's a crazy world we live in.
 
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