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Bigtex

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The point is; What Gwen Berry did CAN be done in America. BUT if we go the direction of freaking out and making it a”federal case” (meaning, a big fucking issue) that one isn’t free to do so — THEN we’re acting more like North Korea.

Again, the problem is the USOC. They should mirror the IOC's Rule of 50. The sports arena should not be used to promote personal agenda's and should remain neutral. You are there to be an athlete and that is it. The throwers coach should cut her from the team because she is letting her personal activist agenda distract her from competition. Seems like I read Nike already dropped her. Anyway, someone else who has their head in the game should take her place. This is just a continuation of the crap we have had to put up with in the NFL and the NFL /individual clubs who can't even enforce their own rules that do not allow this behavior as part of their contract. She has the right to protest until she turns white, this is not the time or place. That should be made clear and those who can't adhere to these standards left at home. This is like saying she has the right to drop her tights and moon the audience.

Testbone, I can promise you that had I allowed this to happen at a football game when I was a coach, I would have been fired the next day for allowing it. Had I lost my mind and thought I could do this as a coach, I would have been escorted to the locker room and fired. With freedom comes responsibility. What is going to happen, is people are going to turn the TV off this summer when the Olympic is televised. This means a lot of people lose some big time money. People are fed up with these types of antics.
 
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I wanted to add this statement from a constitutional attorney:

"The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights protects free speech and protest from government infringement and interference. The First Amendment does not restrict the activities of private organizations such as the NFL, which are instead governed by their own contractual agreements."

There is a clause in most professional athlete contracts that states, the athletes must "conduct themselves on and off the field with appropriate recognition” of the importance of “public respect and approval” of the game. The NFL has a clause that prohibits athletes from “wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages” or “which relate to political activities or causes.” This is not a violation of the 1st amendment because they are a private entity.

What you CAN do in America has nothing to do with what you are allowed to do as an athlete. The federal government needs not get involved and congress is forbidden from passing any laws but the governing body, IOC sure has a rules against this type of conduct under the Rule of 50. It needs to be strictly enforced. As an athlete you are taught to respect the rules of the game. Obviously this athlete was never taught this.
 
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The IOC is a private entity and has their own set of rules as they see fit. Here is the IOC explanation of the Rule of 50 that is sent to athletes:

Rule 50 of the Olympic Charter: What you need to know as an athlete

The Olympic Games have more diversity and bring together more people from more places than any other sporting event anywhere in the world. Competitors and spectators at the Games come from very different backgrounds, with different languages, different cultures, different traditions, different religions and different political views. The magic of the Games is their ability to promote unity and harmony amid all this diversity.

The Games are about sport, and the IOC feels a special obligation both to ensure that the focus is on the athletes and their competition without being drawn into political controversies, and to provide a Games environment that lets athletes compete without distractions from divisive and emotional issues outside the world of sport. Rule 50 helps to achieve this objective.

Rule 50 has four main goals:

• First, to protect athletes
• Second, to prevent the over-commercialisation of the Games and to keep the Olympic venues – (i.e. the field of play) free from advertising. This is known as the “clean venue” policy.
• Third, to prevent the Games from being used as a platform for protests, demonstrations or the promotion of political, religious or racial propaganda.
• Fourth, to define the rules for manufacturers’ identifications and other identifying features on sports uniforms and equipment, to prevent unauthorised commercial, political, religious or racial propaganda.
 
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Bigtex,
All of that “should of-would of-could of,” but for whatever reasons, agree or disagree, the sanctioning bodies determined such is acceptable under current policies. In essence, that’s the same as if a court ruling were made — she’s exonerated by the ruling body.

The public can debate till their blue in the face (as the saying goes) about what should be and shouldn’t be. But the action is allowed. That’s where we’re at culturally so far as determined ethics, and what is protected activity here. There are perhaps a larger % of public who believe it should, and a vehement % that won’t ever accept it.
At the end of the day, it’s called America and one can either say that’s ultimately a good thing or a bad thing.
 
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Bottom line is black people are NOT oppressed in the year 2021 so let’s all cut the shit. This little bitch has an opportunity that most would die for yet she chooses to shit on it and at the same time yes the fucking FLAG. We all know what the olympics are about so don’t play dumb like athletes should have the right to protest bullshit. And honestly they should not have the right during “work” hours anyway. Most folks watch sports and the olympics as a way to escape the bullshit. And the fact that a state like Oregon is ok with what she did is not a shocker. Bottom line is the IOC is not ok with it while abroad and neither should we. Again your not oppressed fucko. I’m more oppressed then this little shit stain. Don’t see me bitching. Tired of whiny retards acting like they know what’s it’s like to struggle for one second in their life. Grow up and play for your country or go back to whatever the fuck you were doing. Obviously sucking off papa smurf.


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Bottom line is black people are NOT oppressed in the year 2021 so let’s all cut the shit. This little bitch has an opportunity that most would die for yet she chooses to shit on it and at the same time yes the fucking FLAG. We all know what the olympics are about so don’t play dumb like athletes should have the right to protest bullshit. And honestly they should not have the right during “work” hours anyway. Most folks watch sports and the olympics as a way to escape the bullshit. And the fact that a state like Oregon is ok with what she did is not a shocker. Bottom line is the IOC is not ok with it while abroad and neither should we. Again your not oppressed fucko. I’m more oppressed then this little shit stain. Don’t see me bitching. Tired of whiny retards acting like they know what’s it’s like to struggle for one second in their life. Grow up and play for your country or go back to whatever the fuck you were doing. Obviously sucking off papa smurf.


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She earned her spot in athletics with hard effort, similar to any of us who’ve taken our own hobby / sport of bbing / fitness.
Nothing was handed to her to be in the position she is.
I previously shared here the IOC’s position on the matter and they themselves have given some provisions for various protest actions — see article in one of my privious posts. And that pretty much settles the matter officially, regardless of our emotions, ritual fixations and traditions, which in many realms do not translate to actual law nor even policy. Like I’ve expressed, IF we’re to so rigidly require various actions and behaviors related to such things as the flag, the anthem, etc…. Then we’re aligning with the same dictatorial rule as North Korea.
No matter how much we may want control, Rights, Liberty, and Freedoms have protection (are supposed to) so that we’re not forced to all believe and behave in one robotic, programmed, indoctrinated way.
We want the freedom to use AAS / Peds, and others (a sizable segment of population) is vehemently opposed to such, as is law. If WE expect liberty and freedom for such, then we also have to accept various choices of others WE oppose.
Would we freak out if an athlete is popped for PED use?? That would be rather hypocritical. There are many examples of just how controlling we tend to be, while at the same time taking liberties to justify our own choices / actions.
We can be very controlling of others while at the same time exercising very little self-control in many personal areas.
 
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Bottom line is black people are NOT oppressed in the year 2021 so let’s all cut the shit. This little bitch has an opportunity that most would die for yet she chooses to shit on it and at the same time yes the fucking FLAG. We all know what the olympics are about so don’t play dumb like athletes should have the right to protest bullshit. And honestly they should not have the right during “work” hours anyway. Most folks watch sports and the olympics as a way to escape the bullshit. And the fact that a state like Oregon is ok with what she did is not a shocker. Bottom line is the IOC is not ok with it while abroad and neither should we. Again your not oppressed fucko. I’m more oppressed then this little shit stain. Don’t see me bitching. Tired of whiny retards acting like they know what’s it’s like to struggle for one second in their life. Grow up and play for your country or go back to whatever the fuck you were doing. Obviously sucking off papa smurf.


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Amen brotha.

So tired of hearing about race non-stop. Every time I turn on the tv, look at media or watch sports, the lies are shoved down our throats. This women is disgusting. There's a time and place to voice an opinion. Just being an Olympic athlete gives that person a voice that's louder then mine or yours. How about intellectual dialog and friendly debate to address her concerns?

Offended that the anthem played ? Why the fuck is she even on the team?

ALL ANTHEMS FOR ALL NATIONS ARE PLAYED REPEATIDLY! Is she that fucking stupid?

Many Olympic sports are individual non team competition. Maybe the stupid bitch could think about the positive reinforcement and support she's received through the years she's prepared for the ultimate world games. Neighbors, coaches, family that helped her along the way?

I can't recall ever seeing an athlete from any other country protest on the Olympic podium. Why?

FUCK HER!
 
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Amen brotha.

So tired of hearing about race non-stop. Every time I turn on the tv, look at media or watch sports, the lies are shoved down our throats. This women is disgusting. There's a time and place to voice an opinion. Just being an Olympic athlete gives that person a voice that's louder then mine or yours. How about intellectual dialog and friendly debate to address her concerns?

Offended that the anthem played ? Why the fuck is she even on the team?

ALL ANTHEMS FOR ALL NATIONS ARE PLAYED REPEATIDLY! Is she that fucking stupid?

Many Olympic sports are individual non team competition. Maybe the stupid bitch could think about the positive reinforcement and support she's received through the years she's prepared for the ultimate world games. Neighbors, coaches, family that helped her along the way?

I can't recall ever seeing an athlete from any other country protest on the Olympic podium. Why?

FUCK HER!

She didn’t protest “on the Olympic podium,” Yet. Her controversial action was at an Olympic trials event in Oregon.
She had previously been sanctioned before rules/guidelines accommodated such actions.
 
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Bigtex,
All of that “should of-would of-could of,” but for whatever reasons, agree or disagree, the sanctioning bodies determined such is acceptable under current policies. In essence, that’s the same as if a court ruling were made — she’s exonerated by the ruling body.

The public can debate till their blue in the face (as the saying goes) about what should be and shouldn’t be. But the action is allowed. That’s where we’re at culturally so far as determined ethics, and what is protected activity here. There are perhaps a larger % of public who believe it should, and a vehement % that won’t ever accept it.
At the end of the day, it’s called America and one can either say that’s ultimately a good thing or a bad thing.


Agreed, the USOC is allowing this type of BS as it happened in the USA. The IOC suspended her for 1 year at the Panama Games., so yes she has done this on an Olympic podium after the Rule of 50 was created. She just got off her suspension. The USOC is also a private entity and the IOC has allowed them to enforce the rules as they see fit on their own soil. While the athletes have reps that work to change IOC rules, the public also has a say in this by loudly debating their decisions. We all may have a much stronger voice in the matter as we start turning our TV's off this summer. While the IOC hates America they do know were are still the big piggy bank. I believe the people who have been loyal to sports for years are fed up with seeing politics and race become the center of attention. Sports no matter what athletes want to believe are only a diversion from all this shit that goes on in our daily lives. The NFL has paid the price, the NBA, and MLB are suffering for their political and social justice agendas.. ESPN is having huge issues all because they choose to let political and racial issues take over sports. While the NFL brags about being GAY, millions of young kids get turned off by sports because they don't certainly don't want to be called gay. I can assure you even in Texas where football is still king, fewer and fewer kids are coming out for sports each year. This is not helping the problem.

Anyway, the rule of 50 still stands. Let's see if the IOC enforces their own rules. Competing under the USOC rule and under the IOC rule as in international competition take the US out of the picture. The Rule of 50 is still in effect. The IOC will enforce their own rules as long as those of us who watch sports complain loudly about it. Sitting back and just accepting it as her right will never get anything changed. Let her go out and protest all she wants. If she win's gold (NO WAY) let her take her money earned from sponsorship and donate it to her cause. We know that want happen because people like this are really only concerned with themselves, its all about getting attention and taking it away from others who really deserve it. How many looked at the two winners on the podium? What are their names, what agenda do they support? Instead all of the attention has been caste on the 3rd place loser.

We are in this mess as a country because the MAJORITY of us have sat back and kept our mouths shut for way too long. As long as we have dinner on the table, a beer, EZ chair and TV on we are good with life. No, the small percent that approve of this just have big mouths as the rest are silent. As you see on just this board, most of us are outraged that someone chooses to represent a country and then publicly disgraces it. You hate America that much leave, she is free according to the IOC to represent any country that will take her in. Maybe China will take her in? She will love it there, were black folks are still considered thieves. No so much diversity on team China.

As a long time athlete in many different sport from middle school to high school and then college and on, 25 years as a coach (college/HS),my whole live has been wrapped around sports. I am sorry to say, that even I am very turned off about what I am seeing out of athletes and sports in general.
 
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Agreed, the USOC is allowing this type of BS as it happened in the USA. The IOC suspended her for 1 year at the Panama Games., so yes she has done this on an Olympic podium after the Rule of 50 was created. She just got off her suspension. The USOC is also a private entity and the IOC has allowed them to enforce the rules as they see fit on their own soil. While the athletes have reps that work to change IOC rules, the public also has a say in this by loudly debating their decisions. We all may have a much stronger voice in the matter as we start turning our TV's off this summer. While the IOC hates America they do know were are still the big piggy bank. I believe the people who have been loyal to sports for years are fed up with seeing politics and race become the center of attention. Sports no matter what athletes want to believe are only a diversion from all this shit that goes on in our daily lives. The NFL has paid the price, the NBA, and MLB are suffering for their political and social justice agendas.. ESPN is having huge issues all because they choose to let political and racial issues take over sports. While the NFL brags about being GAY, millions of young kids get turned off by sports because they don't certainly don't want to be called gay. I can assure you even in Texas where football is still king, fewer and fewer kids are coming out for sports each year. This is not helping the problem.

Anyway, the rule of 50 still stands. Let's see if the IOC enforces their own rules. Competing under the USOC rule and under the IOC rule as in international competition take the US out of the picture. The Rule of 50 is still in effect. The IOC will enforce their own rules as long as those of us who watch sports complain loudly about it. Sitting back and just accepting it as her right will never get anything changed. Let her go out and protest all she wants. If she win's gold (NO WAY) let her take her money earned from sponsorship and donate it to her cause. We know that want happen because people like this are really only concerned with themselves, its all about getting attention and taking it away from others who really deserve it. How many looked at the two winners on the podium? What are their names, what agenda do they support? Instead all of the attention has been caste on the 3rd place loser.

We are in this mess as a country because the MAJORITY of us have sat back and kept our mouths shut for way too long. As long as we have dinner on the table, a beer, EZ chair and TV on we are good with life. No, the small percent that approve of this just have big mouths as the rest are silent. As you see on just this board, most of us are outraged that someone chooses to represent a country and then publicly disgraces it. You hate America that much leave, she is free according to the IOC to represent any country that will take her in. Maybe China will take her in? She will love it there, were black folks are still considered thieves. No so much diversity on team China.

As a long time athlete in many different sport from middle school to high school and then college and on, 25 years as a coach (college/HS),my whole live has been wrapped around sports. I am sorry to say, that even I am very turned off about what I am seeing out of athletes and sports in general.

Bread and Circuses… a different spin of distraction AND propaganda.
 
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We want the freedom to use AAS / Peds, and others (a sizable segment of population) is vehemently opposed to such, as is law. If WE expect liberty and freedom for such, then we also have to accept various choices of others WE oppose.
Would we freak out if an athlete is popped for PED use?? That would be rather hypocritical. There are many examples of just how controlling we tend to be, while at the same time taking liberties to justify our own choices / actions.

Absolutely I would. WHY? Because it against the RULES in the IOC. I competed for 27 years and always competed in meets/ federations that were NOT drug tested. All of my world records were not drug tested. If you compete in a drug tested competition and get caught you deserve the consequences, absolutely. You make the choice to cheat. Sports is not something you have to do in life.

Now as far as my right to use AAS, I simply prefer the US Government stay the fuck out of my personal business. I could care a less if the public accepts it or not. But at the same time I am not going to shove my choice down their throats and force them to accept it. So I keep my choice as my business and keep it quite. When the black sprinter woman got popped for THC I was happy to see she got a suspension. It is clearly against the rules. I don't smoke pot but don't give a crap if she does or not. Her business but she competed in a drug tested event. But I do agree that pot and ALL recreational drugs should be made legal even though I will not use them. Keep the government out of our personal lives. Just like with alcohol, and I don't drink either. I am certainly not controlling as you seem to believe we all are, I just believe in integrity as an athlete and following the rules of that sport or stay the fuck home. Just as these gay/tranny fucks, I don't give damn if they are gay or not, just quit shoving it down my throat. I also don't give a fuck if they pretend to be married.........government should stay the fuck out of the marriage business as well. The license to get married is just another tax.

I am personally against drug and urine testing in the work place or sport as I feel it violates my right to privacy. However, as a football coach I also had to drive a school bus to games. So I was subject to yearly DOT drug testing as well as 2-3 unannounced testings each year. Yea, they always seemed to randomly pick me out of 15 coaches. I had a choice, quit or take the tests. I understand because I certainly would not want my kid on a bus with a drunk or stoned adult driving and we have plenty of those in the sport. So I chose to take the test. Hell, I don't use recreational drugs or drink so take my piss and let me blow the device. I never tested positive and never had a trace of alcohol in my blood. Despite quite a few on my staff that came in hung over most every morning. Driving 50+ kids is a HUGE responsibility. But I knew this when I took the job.
 
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Can't someone respect an entity without worshiping, getting involved in ritual activity, idolizing, etc on behalf of the entity?....

Would you have someone represent you if they didnt respect you or like you?



Absolutely NOT!....However, I wouldn't expect them to worship, do an act of worship, etc to me for me to consider them respectful...

For instance, I use to own a Locksmithing business years ago....I didn't expect my employee(s) to engage in my personal, lack of political choice, etc as a job requirement....I didn't care what color they were, religion or political view that they had....All I was concerned with was how well they did their job and how they treated my customers....

With that being said, I DO agree she should have kept her personal, political, etc views to herself while engaged at a sporting event....I used to go to a lot of football, baseball, and a few hockey games in my day....As u know, the national anthem is a pre-cursor to those events....With me be being neutral, I of course would not commit to an act of worship during this event...However, I would respectfully stand and remain neutral....I did not put my hand over my heart and sing....It would have violated my conscience to do so in regards to the God that I worship...Again, I did respect the event....:)


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