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Andreeson on Rogan podcast -- absolutely insane.

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There is a name for what the Biden administration was going to do to AI and crypto. You know, the F-word. Isn't it strange that everyone was calling Trump a fascist.


The story of Andreeson, founder of Netscape and a big VC in Silicon Valley, got red-pilled. Absolutely insane. A good summery of his Rogan interview can be found here.

 
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This one is actually up next on my watch list. Definitely looking forward to it.
 
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This one is actually up next on my watch list. Definitely looking forward to it.
It's scary what the gov't is trying to do without any transparency whatsoever. I don't care if it's red or blue, it's some scary stuff. No gov't should have that kind of power.
 
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Here's the rebuttal on this.. It's a long listen, but Patrick Boyle has no dog in the fight. He could care less about partisan politics. His bias: he leans conservative.

 
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Andreesan seems to be purposely and slightly deceptive here.. This is entwined in a larger issue.

I do worry about Rogan sometimes.. I like him a lot, he is honest and curious. But Rogan lacks the knowledge to properly challenge people on very complex issues. What Andreeson wants to get rid of is an anti-corruption law designed to keep politicians from using their connections to influence this industry.

This particular issue is coming up contentiously because non-banks are acting as banks. Banks have legal and fiduciary obligations imposed on them since the Great Depression. But there is now a new industry popping up where companies are brokering bank transactions, in effect acting as banks.. But without protections for the end user. So the quasi-bank takes your money and then the credits your account with them and then they send your money (as if it belongs to them) to the real FDIC insured banks). So the quasi-bank's holdings in banks technically is insured by the FDIC. When grandma loses $500,000 when the quasi-bank goes under she cannot get her money back. Technically the quasi-bank put the money into the FDIC insurance banks, but it is not her money, it belongs to the quasi-bank. This is huge issue since many Fintech startups have collapsed and the people with holdings cannot get their money back. In fact, the banks do not know if it belongs to the end user.. Because it came from the Fintech.

This is an issue the regulators have been warning about for a long time. The House Of Representatives, controlled by the Republicans, refuses to act.

PEP is designed to stop politicians from investing where there is a conflict of interest. It is an anti-corruption regulation. Many republicans are tied to Fintech. And these people if active in politics show up as PEP. Most real banks deal with this all the time and they simply verify where the money is coming from when a PEP is involved. If a PEP sells a house then they show the house sale document to the bank and life is good, the transaction continues. If the PEP cannot show where the money is coming from (or refuses to show where the money is coming from) then they are not allowed to deposit it. There is no evidence of a political bias is the sphere. The banks really, really, really want your money. But it has to be verified. The Fintechs are trying to skirt the law. If allowed this then becomes a dark money extravaganza. China can flood the system with their money, for instance.
 
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Andreeson referred to start-up guys in Silicon Valley that were getting de-banked. These guys are not politically connected people that this CNBC guy is referring to.

And just after the election (when Trump wins), the CFPB announces that they're going to prevent this. How timely... when they could have addressed this prior to Trump winning the election.

And the scariest thing Andreeson was talking about was the gov't meeting where they told him the gov't was going to control AI by allowing just a few big tech companies in, and then regulating everybody out. A nice cozy little oligarchy where the tech titans bow their knee to secret gov't dictates while splitting the lucrative spoils of the limited monopoly granted to them by the gov't. That stinks to high heaven, and certainly has not been disclosed to the public. This should be big news.
 
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AI is going to be the tech substrate upon which the entire U.S. economy will operate. Gov't control of that substrate... what could possible go wrong?
 
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Andreeson referred to start-up guys in Silicon Valley that were getting de-banked. These guys are not politically connected people that this CNBC guy is referring to.

And just after the election (when Trump wins), the CFPB announces that they're going to prevent this. How timely... when they could have addressed this prior to Trump winning the election.

And the scariest thing Andreeson was talking about was the gov't meeting where they told him the gov't was going to control AI by allowing just a few big tech companies in, and then regulating everybody out. A nice cozy little oligarchy where the tech titans bow their knee to secret gov't dictates while splitting the lucrative spoils of the limited monopoly granted to them by the gov't. That stinks to high heaven, and certainly has not been disclosed to the public. This should be big news.

It's not possible to regulate AI anyhow, other than forcing AI content to be watermarked. They have as much likelihood of regulating AI as they have regulating the real estate market on Mars. The genie is out of the bottle.

I'll be honest though, Andreeson is now somewhat suspect to me, since his disingenuous take on things has been laid bare. I'm not sure what really happened in that meeting. His story narrative fits a little too perfectly.

Here is a report on the coming changes to the CFPB which predates the election.




 
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Andreeson is one of quite a few VC people that got red-pilled over the past 24 months. Face it, the "liberals" got quite illiberal recently, and Silicon Valley historically was a bit libertarian (remember Jerry Sanders and TJ Rogers?) When gov't punks who don't know the difference between a computer chip and a potato chip start telling them who to avoid for start-up investing, things are getting weird.

Musk buying Twitter broke the monopoly on the communication pipe, and investors aren't crazy about regulation that's picking winners and losers. As a VC investor, you could easily be on the side of the loser, and how do you invest in such an environment? You don't, and VC investing quickly dries up.

The Feds overplayed their hand, and are now facing a backlash. We'll see where this all lands. I really have no idea.
 
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Andreeson is one of quite a few VC people that got red-pilled over the past 24 months. Face it, the "liberals" got quite illiberal recently, and Silicon Valley historically was a bit libertarian (remember Jerry Sanders and TJ Rogers?) When gov't punks who don't know the difference between a computer chip and a potato chip start telling them who to avoid for start-up investing, things are getting weird.

Musk buying Twitter broke the monopoly on the communication pipe, and investors aren't crazy about regulation that's picking winners and losers. As a VC investor, you could easily be on the side of the loser, and how do you invest in such an environment? You don't, and VC investing quickly dries up.

The Feds overplayed their hand, and are now facing a backlash. We'll see where this all lands. I really have no idea.

Well, I kind of agree with some of that sentiment. It's probably worth noting that the CFPB really understands their niche. They are trying to make sure the financial system stays credible. Conservatives and libertarians have this tendency to create some new financial vehicles from time to time that may not be in the best interest of the public. Anarcho capitalism seems wonderful until the real world starts gut punching million of retirees and working people who didn't understand what they were getting into. This Fintech crap is a shady grey area where startups are playing a dangerous game with peoples' savings. It is legit for the government to have a strong hand here.

We need balance.
 
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