A Very Serious Side Effect Steroids - Polycythemia

[Qwerty1424]

great post slinger!!!!

 

[SHINE]

Most of your guys using for years are not much over 40 either. your not gona get away with high dose cycling the older you get.

I'm not talking about most users who think what they use is high, i'm talking about 2grams of test EW with at least another gram of orals/other aas in there as well. (some use these doses continuously without a break to give the body a rest)

cardiac remodeling is a real factor with high continuous use.

Don't kid yourselves here your not immortal.

 

[basskiller]

Your one hardcore MOFO to be doing IV's in and out

 

[beck26]

i should probably get some more bloodwork done it's been awhile. waht are the best things to have tested when i see the doc? i know you can get specific but for a normal post cycle BW check what is the norm? chelosteral, ldh hdh, test levels etc.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Aspirin and viagra do not decrease RBCs but it's good that you don't have Hct in the 55% and up range to start with. Right, listen to your body. If you are over 40 and can use 2 grams of AAS without issues and you are reasonable and comfortable with your health markers then you may be OK albeit a rare case. Don't forget about your prostate, ekg and stress test as well. You don't want a coffee cake for a prostate or problematic cardiac hypertrophy and associated health issues. One thing is a bit striking in your responses. You allude to the notion that health markers for AAS users, while may be out of normal range, are normal for such users. That is a slippery slope and an area I can see becoming a rationalization zone.

Were talking about a thickening of the blood which will absolutely be corrected by taking these things.As for everything else you've mentioned,like prostate problems,etc,thats why its so important to monitor your blood tests results as I and everyone else has been saying.By doing this you will always be ahead of these said problems and can change things accordingly.Whether it be just from diet and exercise or from taking other meds to fight these things or even lowering your doses of gear or completely coming off.Thats the whole point to my reply.The key is to watch these things and take corrective actions BEFORE they become an issue.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

in hereditary polycythemia, the increase risk for mi's results from the increased viscosity of blood flow injuring the endo cells in the arteries causing artherosclerotic plaques to form. these plaques along with increased iron in the heart result in ht failure so when your plaques embolize due to being snagged by the increased viscosity you get an mi. these people have the process of setting the stage for an mi to for begin before they are 5 according to some studies. bottom line, the pathologies are different, but an aspirin a day is good.

Exactly right.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

So you don't come off? I just read a thread where you said you "have and do use" nolva and clomid together for pct. How can I learn from your vast knowledge base and expertise if you can't keep your lies straight? How can any of us kiddy noobies trust what you say?

NOTE: Cannot continue to read the fictional personal anecdotes of a pathological liar in denial without saying my piece. It is irresponsible to allow one "reality-distorter's" viewpoint to influence those that want to rationalize away legitimate health risks. As is apparent by the dozens of thank yous to the OP, the original post was extremely helpful and this thread should NEVER have degraded into a pointless debate about AAS's safety.

Say what you want FIST, I won't respond again.

You're unbelievable kid.Once again you have hijacked someone elses thread with your juvenile bs.Don't worry,I won't allow you to ruin this thread with your crying.

But to address your nonsensical response and to make you look stupid once again..........Lets see what you've stated.The very post of mine that you quoted contradicts your ridiculous reply.You say I said I never come off but the very last sentence of the post you are quoting says "I am "BASICALLY" always on.Let me now teach you the English language.This doesn't mean I never come off,it means I am on far more than I am off.Saying im basically always on is not the same as never coming off.Im "BASICALLY full at dinner doesn't mean I couldn't eat more I just choose not to.Starting to comprehend the English language now.So you're exactly right,I did say I always utilize Nolva and Clomid and I still say that.Whenever I do come off,for the short times that is,I always run a proper pct using those compounds.

Once again you are so hell bent on getting attention by being so controversial you have stated things that don't even make sense nor are even remotely accurate and by doing so showing again how little you do know about AAS.

The only thing fictional here is you saying you anything about AAS,bbing or the lifestyle and proving with each temper tantrum that you are not only a joke to the board but to the community as a whole.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

i think we go in circles lol...... get ur fucken blood work done and you will know how your body is responding to what you are putting into it.... everyone is different... we also can not speculate what the "pro's" use because each person is different.... im sure you find alot more people in the amateur levels of bodybuilding Abusing way more than pro's im sure AJ and other elite competitors on this site can confirm this... if u are worried about thickening of the blood there are ways to combat almost any side effect. Just like if you have a head ache u take something to fix it... well if you need blood thinners go to your doctor and he will fix it.... That is why most people that suffer from heart related problems usually are put on medication that thins there blood.

Well said qwerty.If you have any sense while cycling blood work will be a part of every cycle and you'll be able to reverse anything that should arise by taking a proactive approach not a reactive one.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

After all thats been said I guess I only have one thing to add. There are millions of people in the US alone who use/abuse steroids. In fact I'd say by medical standards we all "abuse" them. Anything over TRT dose is technically abuse. That being said, you would expect people, especially pros would be dropping left and right. Yet this is not the case at all. Instead we hear about the odd case now and then where someone was taking far beyond what is considered "normal" use even by our standards, and they had issues. This is really no different than any other meds.


Have per-existing health problems or bad genetics? Large doses of anabolics may not be for you. Its more of a common sense thing I think. Look at ephedra. You had a hand full of dipshits who took 100mg or more and then did a football game and their hearts blew up. So now ephed is the worst thing ever right? If someone could eat enough protein powder to make him shit himself to death you can bet your ass they would ban protein tomorrow or at least try to. It all comes down to common sense. Take mega doses for years you are more likely to have issues than if you do sane cycles.


As for AAS being safe. Let me put it this way. I know people who do 5-10 times the therapeutic dose of AAS for years with zero health issues. Name me an OTC med that you could take 5-10 times the therapeutic dose for weeks on end and live. Try that shit with Nyquil or Tylenol sometime.

Great reply Gunslinger.Its so comical to here how if abused AAS can harm you.ANYTHING WILL. But because its AAS,it should be feared so much more?? I say again,how many here smoke way more than they should?? Are you stopping? How many drink themselves into a drunken stupor every weekend?? Are you stopping? So because were talking about steroids,it should be different? LMAO.

Also,as you have already stated along with many here including myself,if you're prone to these health issues,you will get them regardless.Will AAS increase the rate at which you will develop renal failure ir your already prone to it?Of course,but that now applies to everyone taking AAS?

No offense guys and gals but you cannot change the fact that if AAS are taken properly,you live a healthy lifestyle,you keep your diet and training in order,they are no more dangerous than any other medication.You can point to this study and that study but real world experiences are often times quite different especially for each person.You have to know what is right and wrong for you and adjust accordingly.

Once again,awesome reply GS.

 

[F.I.S.T.]

Most of your guys using for years are not much over 40 either. your not gona get away with high dose cycling the older you get.

I'm not talking about most users who think what they use is high, i'm talking about 2grams of test EW with at least another gram of orals/other aas in there as well. (some use these doses continuously without a break to give the body a rest)

cardiac remodeling is a real factor with high continuous use.

Don't kid yourselves here your not immortal.

I agree with you 100% Shine.As you get older what worked for you when you were 20 may not work at 40 or beyond.Thats where knowing when and how to change learned from first hand experience comes into play.By keeping track of yourself thru the years you can learn to adapt as needed.This again will relate back to you constantly having blood work done and making adjustments when needed.Thats also why its so important to be honest with your doctor and tell him everything you're doing. Can I ask,how many here have not told their doctor they're using? If it's not more than 2 handfulls id be surprised and unlikely to believe it.Like he wont know anyway.

Give you guys an example of when I first got my blood work done after moving and switching to a new doctor yrs ago.I had blood work done and forgot to tell him I was on.Just completely forgot as my old doc new so we never brought it up when I got tests done as to what to test for.Anyway,I didn't tell him and had it done.First off when he got my results back,he had several concerns like hematocrit and creatinine,etc.Once I told him I was on,everything changed.Then he said ok well that explains this and that explain that,etc.Also he then had me take a whole new set of tests so he could test me for everything else that he didn't look for with the first set of tests such as lipid profiles,etc.The key is to TELL him/her and listen to the results.

As you get older everything will change so you will always need to make changes to reverse anything that starts to come up.By doing this,you will always beat any issues before they become a problem.

 

[Glycomann]

Were talking about a thickening of the blood which will absolutely be corrected by taking these things.As for everything else you've mentioned,like prostate problems,etc,thats why its so important to monitor your blood tests results as I and everyone else has been saying.By doing this you will always be ahead of these said problems and can change things accordingly.Whether it be just from diet and exercise or from taking other meds to fight these things or even lowering your doses of gear or completely coming off.Thats the whole point to my reply.The key is to watch these things and take corrective actions BEFORE they become an issue.

Aspirin and Viagra do not reduce red blood cells as you insist. Aspirin reduces thromboxane thus reducing platlet aggregation. It has no effect on red cell production. Viagra or sildenafil is a phosphodiesterase 5 inhibitor that results in increased levels of cGMP in tissues where the enzyme normally acts like the corpus cavernosum of the penis, the optic centers of the eye and the smooth muscle of the vascular system. Although it may have secondary effects resulting in decreased platelet aggregation like aspirin, it has no effect on the level of red blood cells.

Also polypharmacy is a dangerous game. Each drug has it's own set of side effects and toxicities. Enter at your own risk. We are all doing it to some level but where it becomes problematic is something that should be considered carefully.

 

[Qwerty1424]

very well said F.I.S.T as u get older changes will happen even within ur body and how it reacts to chemicals