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Lizard King

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Damn, just checked, my 401K is down like $70K since 9/30. Lost 4.3% for the year. Guess I shouldn't have looked.
 
tommyguns2

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Damn, just checked, my 401K is down like $70K since 9/30. Lost 4.3% for the year. Guess I shouldn't have looked.

Exactly! Don't look. Just keep contributing every pay period... dollar cost averaging at its finest. Besides, you won't be touching that money for another 20 years, so this is a non-event. (I keep looking in the mirror and telling myself that over and over.)
 
Swiper

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“While Congress and the president fight over funding a border wall, they continue to ignore the coming economic tsunami caused by the approximately 22 trillion dollars (and rapidly increasing) federal debt. President Trump may not be troubled by the debt’s effect on the economy because he believes he will be out of office before it becomes a major problem. However, the crisis may come sooner than he, or most people in DC, expects.

The constituency for limited government, while growing, is still far outnumbered by those wanting government to provide economic and personal security. From lower-income Americans who rely on food stamps, public housing, and other government programs, to middle-class Americans who live in homes they could not afford without assistance from federal agencies like Fannies Mae and Freddie Mac, to college students reliant on government-subsidized student loans, to senior citizens reliant on Social Security and Medicare, to billionaire CEOs whose companies rely on bailouts, subsidies, laws and regulations written to benefit politically-powerful businesses, and government contracts, most Americans are reliant on at least one federal program. Many programs are designed to force individuals to accept government aid. For example, it is almost impossible for a senior citizen to obtain health insurance outside of Medicare.

The welfare state is fueled by the Federal Reserve’s easy money policies, which are also responsible for the boom-and-bust cycle that plagues our economy. The Federal Reserve’s policies do not just distort our economy, they also distort our values, as the Fed’s dollar depreciation causes individuals to forgo savings and hard work in favor of immediate gratification. This has helped create an explosion of business and individual debt. There has been a proliferation of bubbles, including in credit card debt, auto loans, and student loans. There is even a new housing bubble.

An economy built on fiat currency and public and private debt is unsustainable. Eventually the bubbles will burst. The most likely outcome will be the rejection of the dollar’s world reserve currency status due to government debt and the Federal Reserve’s monetization of debt. When the bubbles pop, the result will be an economic crisis that will likely dwarf the Great Depression.

The fall of the dollar and the accompanying economic downturn will make it impossible for the government to continue running up huge debts to finance a massive welfare-warfare state. Thus, Congress will be forced to raise taxes and cut benefits. Cowardly politicians will likely outsource the job of raising taxes and cutting benefits to the Federal Reserve. This will cause a dramatic increase in the most insidious of taxes: the inflation tax.

As the Federal Reserve erodes the value of the dollar, thus reducing the value of both earned paychecks and government-provided welfare benefits, a large number of Americans who believe they are entitled to economic security will react by engaging in acts of violence. Politicians will use this violence to further crack down on civil liberties. The resulting economic and civil unrest will further the growth of authoritarian political movements.

Fortunately, the liberty movement continues to grow. This movement counters the authoritarian lies with the truths of Austrian economics and the non-aggression principle. While the years ahead may be tough, if those of us who know the truth work hard to educate others, the cause of liberty can prevail.”

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/
 
tommyguns2

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While I don't disagree with much of what you've written Swiper, the liberty movement is much too small to stop the train wreck. Whether dems or repubs, no one is willing to cut spending, because the voters don't want them to. It's that simple. Voters will dump anyone who even reduces the rate of growth of medicare and social security.

It's a slow motion disaster that anyone with an understanding of 8th grade arithmetic can see. However, we as a society have told Congress we'll gladly you pay you Tuesday for our hamburger today. It really is a reflection of the integrity of today's culture. And the results will not be pretty. Not sure exactly when it will happen, but when it does the gov't will have few options.

Most likely it will simply continue to lie by refusing to cut benefits, and print money to pay the debts with cheaper dollars. In either case, the bondholders will get pennies on the dollar. There's no other way around it. We've locked ourselves into unfunded liabilities that we cannot pay.
 
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I'm loving it for my dividend reinvestments. Everything is on sale and I'm always buying.
 
Warhead14

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Well sell everything and dig a hole.... Me? I have been been ready for 25 years. I have a spot in montana with water, plenty of game, 45 ounces of gold in different weights.... I got my krugerrands for between 400-700 an ounce...
 
Swiper

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this is the same way people acted in 2008 right before the crash. no one saw that coming. not too many people see this one coming either.

why would a recession NOT happen in the near future?
 
Swiper

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this is the same way people acted in 2008 right before the crash. no one saw that coming. not too many people see this one coming either.

why would a recession NOT happen in the near future?

.........................????????????????
 
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Lil Ed

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Apple is setting up investor for the bad news coming so they can take less of a hit on price I assume. they were in the news today stating that the dying Chinese economy has taken a toll for their future earnings report.
 
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A couple of ETFs I'm in that were paying 8-10% are now paying 10-13+% yields. More bang for my reinvested buck!
 
Swiper

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2008 all over again, but this time even worst. wish you all well on your investments. try not to jump out of any high rise building windows when the shit hits the fan. good luck
 
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