Blast while on TRT?

[Ramrod]

Thinking of doing a Test only Blast.

I take a Dr. script of 200mg a Week divided into 1/2 Sunday Morning, 1/2 Wednesday Night. Have been for 1.5yrs so far.

What Dose would be needed to worth it for Test Only blast. 500, 700, 1000? weekly???

 

[achilles87]

I would say you would be fine with 500-750, honestly 1,000 ain't worth it in my opinion.

 

[Ramrod]

Think much difference between 500 and 750?

Found this...

300 mg of test e vs 600 mg per week human study
The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and igf-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for igf-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and igf-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

igf-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

 

[achilles87]

To be honest with you if it's good and not weak I personally just run 500mg. Depending on who you talk to they won't agree with that, but I get good results on that amount.

In the end it's really just up to you what gains you make from it. Guys taking 1000mg and not training eating right are just spinning their wheels. I have just come to the conclusion that you don't need crazy ammounts to achieve goals. Keep it simple and your body will appreciate it.

 

[pix3r]

I found for me 500 was always too little and 750 was too much (everyone is different though so you need to figure out for yourself). Since it takes Test some time to kick in, I did a baseline of 500 for 6 weeks, then moved it to 750 for 6 weeks and noticed the difference, then i dropped it down to 600/week and found my sweet spot

 

[BackAtIt]

I found for me 500 was always too little and 750 was too much (everyone is different though so you need to figure out for yourself). Since it takes Test some time to kick in, I did a baseline of 500 for 6 weeks, then moved it to 750 for 6 weeks and noticed the difference, then i dropped it down to 600/week and found my sweet spot

This is what I believe. ..Everyone is unique. ..Even with dieting its different for each individual. ..Genetics play a huge role in my opinion too...That's why some get away with smoking and out living the non-smoker....

Good post, brah!

 

[tinymk]

Like mentioned, the optimal mg per week are gonna vary greatly from person to person.

If your prescribed 200mg/week then your ingenious test levels are pretty low(as are mine) so a bump to 400-500mg a week is gonna give you a decent idea of how your body responds to it. Obviously make sure you do not have a blood checkup any time soon for the TRT Dr.

My doses vary depending on if I am off-season, meet prep, goals for competition, ideal weight for weigh-ins or injured. It all has to be factored in. I blast pretty much year round but never go below my prescribed dose.

 

[Drumsticks]

Thinking of doing a Test only Blast.

I take a Dr. script of 200mg a Week divided into 1/2 Sunday Morning, 1/2 Wednesday Night. Have been for 1.5yrs so far.

What Dose would be needed to worth it for Test Only blast. 500, 700, 1000? weekly???

 

[Drumsticks]

I am curious if you have an update to your blast and how it worked out for you.

 

[fixxer]

Sometimes when I want to blast I'll do so by adding an oral like tbol in for 8-10 weeks @ 20mg/day.