Difference between anavar and primobolan (oral)?

[jinxey]

I was wondering peoples thoughts on anavar and oral primobolan?
thanks for your time. Jinxey

[SHINE]

Anavar would be more effective taken oraly per milligram verse Primobolan oraly,

Primo is a good anabolic steroid, due to the fact that the c1-2 double bond increases the stability of the 3-keto group. The 1-methyl group works to increase its oral bioavailability but the oral bioavailability won't be as good as Anavar.

Anavar is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, however it differs from DHT by the substitution of its 2-carbon molecule with oxygen,only commercial steroid to carry this group, and further, the only one to have a modification to the base carbon structure of the Sterannucleus.The 2-oxo group with the addition the 17alpha methyl increases resistance of the 3-keto group to metabolism considerably, making oxandrolone a potent anabolic, the 17 A methyl gives you alot more oral bioavailability *potency* verse the 1 methyl of primo.

I think anavar is just a whole lot better for the girls, especialy if taken oraly. However I'll leave the real world experience opinions up to the Pro's like Sassy and the rest about Oral primo verse A-var and there experiences.

[ritch]

Anxious to hear Sassy's reply on this one!

One thing though... Primo tabs are expensive...

[SHINE]

Anxious to hear Sassy's reply on this one!

One thing though... Primo tabs are expensive...

Right, there to damn expensive!

[jinxey]

Thanks Shine, love your chemistry lessons!

[sassy69]

I think the biggest general issue is the cost and availability of oral primo tabs. Back in the day they were available but they've probably only surfaced as more available in the last couple years. I guess w/ the myriad underground labs. Those also come w/ the usual caveat of "are they really what they claim to be" because you're frequently not talking about pharma-grade quality assurance & dosing. Because primo tabs haven't been readily available for many years I couldn't speak to any history of faking or not. Primo depot has a big history of being very expensive and frequently faked.

What are primo tabs good for? Primobolan (depot - injectable & acetate - oral) is generally known as a great cutter - it doesn't aromatize and does a reasonable job of maintaining muscle during a competition cut. As most AAS, also introduces a great recovery capability during the stress of competition prep. Primo is notorious for hairloss.

Looking at tabs specifically, there's a high anabolic to androgenic ratio which is normally great, but the overall gain from the compound is kinda small. Also given that you lose alot w/ the compound passing thru the liver. The caveat that comes w/ this is that if you're expecting this compound to support you thru an aggressive competition cut, you may actually find yourself over-extended and not getting the muscle support (i.e. not a large overall anabolic presence).

In the actual use of primo tabs - anecdotally from some old school female BBs, the use of primo tabs in contest prep is to crush them up & use them topically w/ DMSO cream. This is because so much of the power the compound is lost in its first pass through the liver.

So to compare to anavar - it matters first what you're trying to do or what you expect. Anavar is always the preference for someone newbie to AAS. It is more predictable, more mild, good gains, occasionally a bit of water retention, but a decent balance of anabolic, androgenic, no aggressive sides at low doses, and can be run at a long duration w/ minimal issue, all for good results. Primo tabs are going to be mild but limited in their 'gains' ability because it is overall low anabolic effect. People may like the lack of water retention - which makes this really focused on a cutter and not a bulker, but as a dry cutter - will also bring sides like hair loss.

So recommendation - if you're looking for a starter AAS - would always go w/ anavar. If you're looking to use it during a prep, would probably stack it w/ something else that has a higher anabolic contribution to help preserve muscle mass during the cut. The primo tabs would contribute to the "cutter" aspect, but need help in muscle preservation. And if you're at the point where you're stacking, you should also be at the point of being accepting and responsible for the more aggressive sides of bigger compounds and stacking in general. And for the cost of primo tabs (unless you got a sweet hook up), there are probably a number of other options if you're seriously considering stacking & use of stuff more aggressive than anavar. If you've got the good hook up and can handle the expected hairloss (Note - if you're using any dry cutter -primo tabs, primo depot, winstrol, etc. - get a bottle of Nizoral shampoo to help reduce DHT-drive hairloss) then a stack of var + primo tabs might be a good combo.

[SHINE]

Great advice Sassy, Now I wonder how a combo of low dose prov would fair with the AVAR? since the anabolic ratio of primo sucks as compared to the avar. (and the quality of primo tabs sucking usualy)

An idea, ever tried that one? Low dose of prov like 5mg ed with the typical var dose?

[jinxey]

Thanks Sassy,
You have given me many things to consider along with the voice of reason.

[jinxey]

Thanks Shine,
Interesting idea on combonations I am going to study up on your idea.
Jinxy

[jinxey]

Sassy,
I have heard about crushing and mixing with DMSO. I use DMSO with my horses so am familer with the potency of DMSO.

[sassy69]

Sassy,
I have heard about crushing and mixing with DMSO. I use DMSO with my horses so am familer with the potency of DMSO.

Yep. Its a good topical carrier. I've also used crushed yohimbine in DMSO. It just gives you a nasty taste in your mouth.

[deadweight]

Yep. Its a good topical carrier. I've also used crushed yohimbine in DMSO. It just gives you a nasty taste in your mouth.

yeah dmso is some strong nasty smelly shit.....dw

[SHINE]

Yep. Its a good topical carrier. I've also used crushed yohimbine in DMSO. It just gives you a nasty taste in your mouth.

Is there any need for a good DSMO and yohimbineHCL product ya think

[sassy69]

Is there any need for a good DSMO and yohimbineHCL product ya think

DMSO is sort of old-school, meaning no one wants to use the shit unless they are old school enough to put up w/ the tasete you get in your mouth from it. There are other products out there that use stuff like peppermint oil as the topical carrier. (Ref: AF Store YES... been using it for the last 10 yrs!) I wonder if you could use something like Bengay as a topical & crush your Yo HCl into it?

[SHINE]

DMSO is sort of old-school, meaning no one wants to use the shit unless they are old school enough to put up w/ the tasete you get in your mouth from it. There are other products out there that use stuff like peppermint oil as the topical carrier. (Ref: AF Store YES... been using it for the last 10 yrs!) I wonder if you could use something like Bengay as a topical & crush your Yo HCl into it?

So ya saying your kisses wouldn't be so great after dsmo use for a week? lololol!
Ben Gay? no idea, I can look it up though. *makes sense*

Have other ideas that would work for Y and transdermal.
Never payed attentin to AF and there topical. nice