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Hey guys new to the forum so forgive me if I make any rookie mistakes!
I have been running GH for the past 5 months at 4IUs 5 on 2 off and will continue through my cycle. I'm also finishing a 6 week use of IGF-1 lr3 5 on 2 off. Seeing some good results with that.
Im starting my cycle beginning of May so here it is:
Wk 1-6
50mg Dianabol Oral ED
Wk 1-10
50mg Winnie Oral ED
Test Prop 100 MG EOD*
Wk 4-10
50mg Anavar50 ED
Any feedback on any of this would be great thanks guys!
10 weeks of orals is pushing it IMO. i try not to run orals longer than 6-8 weeks max. get yourself some form of liver support.
you ever try running an oral at the end of a cycle? helps break through that wall i hit around week 8-10 with my gains. food for thought.
p.s. **** the Red Sox.
GO YANKS!
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There, I fixed it for you.Originally Posted by BoSox
Ya i was planning on Liv50 plus milk thistle for my liver. What should I run during cycle to avoid dbol side affects, do you think the gH will help with that?And ya i ran anavar the last 6 weeks of my first cycle loved the shit! Ps yanks suck sox are on at 1 today espn2 tune in for some real ball lol
I want to run winnie and var longer then just 3 weeks. Im an athlete not gonna say what kind or where obv lol but here are my stats:
6'6 258-263lbs (fluctuate but that range)
Apx. 12-15% bf
Bench 365, Squat 505, Clean 355
My point being id really like to run those two longer especially winnie. IMO get way faster. Don't feel i'll get results i need from 3 weeks. Any thoughts??
# 1: Use Liv.52 & milk thistle... I am a firm believer in those 2 supplements. My blood tests prove that they do work.
# 2: Other than water retention, which is normal for D-bol, you really shouldn't have any significant side effects. To help with water retention, drink 1.5 gallons of water per day & watch your sodium intake. Some recommend taking an anti-e to help with water retention but, unless it is severe or gyno starts to appear, an anti-e usually isn't necessary.
Also, follow SAD's advice that he posted above... that is a damn good cycle.
I would do what SAD did to your cycle bro.
I would get BW right after the 10 weeks of orals if that is really what you want to do. I get away with this often according to my BW, but not everyone may.
BD Cool think i should keep any nolva or clomid on hand incase of gyno sides? darkness im a tard but whats BW stand for haha sorry
Clomid won't do anything for gyno.
Yeah, you could keep some Nolvadex around or maybe some Aromasin around for estrogen control.
Also, BW stands for blood work.
Awesome thanks BD Cool. Any reason not to use winnie for the entire 10 weeks and finish with var last 6 weeks besides being tough on my liver? I ran winnie and var both 6 weeks last cycle felt great.
This is only your second cycle? What are your goals?
Milk Thistle...I guess it's better than nothing...but there is not enough scientific data, if any to say that Milk Thistle does anything for the liver. So those orals could just be pounding your kidneys and livers to literally death. Anabolic orals are extremely toxic to the liver.
For a 2nd cycle I would just go with something simple like Deca/Test. Drop the orals and the Winnie. But that's just me.
Deca for 10 weeks
Test for 12ish
Since many people are prone to Deca dick...I'd run a higher doseage of Test. Depends on how much you ran your first cycle.
I just wouldn't put a huge load on your organs like that...but that's just me.
Just looking out for you!
You know your body better than I do but approach this stuff with caution!
Go sox, go dawgs!!
If you wanna run orals with test, I've heard that 4 weeks on, 4 off will do the trick nicely and not pound the shit out of your liver. or just the last 6 weeks.....but I still wouldn't run 2 at the same time...too much imo
thanks georgia! only problem is detection times... im an athlete and get drug tested heavily there is only a small window throughout the year i dont get tested. goals are put on some lean mass but really looking for speed and strength benefits... love the winnie for speed agility etc but thanks for lookin out. to be honest my 1st cycle was prob too much in most peoples opinion: test prop 1-12 winnie and var at 50mg 6-12... but great results and liver results came back fine
7-10 is four weeks, not three. Now that I know you are an athlete it further reinforces to me that you don't need to be ****ing around with winstrol, but if you are dead set on it, 4 weeks at 50mg is plenty. Winny puts everyone, but especially explosive athletes, at a greater risk for injury/tears because of the decreased collagen cross-banding (or some shit like that, google it). Basically, it makes your tendons and ligaments act like old dried up rubberbands, brittle and ready to pop. NO MYTH HERE BRO, FACT.
If you are dead set on running anything longer and cutting short the break from orals in the middle as I laid out, then start running the var when you drop the dbol and continue to the end with it, (stacking, if you must, the winny with it for the last 4 (7-10)).
SAMPLE:
1-10
Prop 150mgs/EOD
1-4
Dbol 40mgs/ED
5-10
Var 50-80mgs/ED
7-10 (Optional! Do your research to see if it is worth the risk.)
Winny 50mgs/ED
I would still recommend the first cycle I laid out for you above, but this one is not terrible.
**** that bro... let me get you going with an IronCore special...
wk 1-4 Prop 100mg EoD
wk 1-12 Test E 250mg E3D
wk 1-4 Tbol 50mg ED
wk 6-12 win 100mg ED
wk 4-12 hcg 500iu EW
liv52 throughout
you can thank me later...
Last edited by IronCore; 04-05-2012 at 02:29 PM.
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