AAS cycle and hgh please rate a review

[Shamrockbear1]

So here goes please review my cycle this is going to be my first HGH and gear cycle and may be my last at my age 40 so tell me what you think. Im sticking with strickly test only products for gear

week1
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
Hcg 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 200mg
T3 17,17,34,34,51,51,51

week2
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 400mg
T3 68,85,102,102,102,85,68

week3
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 400mg
T3 51,51,51,34,34,17,17

week4
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 400mg
T3 OFF

week5
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 600mg
T3 OFF

week6
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 800mg
T3 17,17,34,51,51,68,85

week7
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 800mg
T3 102,68,51,51,34,17,17

week8
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 250iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 600mg
T3 OFF

week9
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 500iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 400mg
T3 OFF

week10
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 500iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 400mg
T3 17,17,34,34,51,51,51



week11
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 500iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 400mg
T3 68,85,102,102,102,85,68

week12
HGH 10iu x 3 mwf
HCG 500iu E3D
Nolva 20mg ED
Arimidex .25 ED
Test Prop. 200mg
T3 51,51,51,34,34,17,17
V

PCT
Nolva 20mg for 4-6 weeks
Clomid Day 1 300mg Week 200mg ED
Week 2 100mg
Week 3 100mg
Week 4 50mg

also suppliments added to aid everything along...

I posted this another site no feedback people WTF...

Ok thanks for the feedback

[Shamrockbear1]

Also my t3 is dosed at17 mg don't ask...lol and I know I pyramid it shows my age should I do it different? Thanks

[PillarofBalance]

I don't get the point of tapering the prop up and down. If you're taking adex you shouldn't need the nolva either.

[Shamrockbear1]

Well as many say the estrogen levels increase whether you feel it or not so should I stick with nolva or adex. I have both and what you recommend for a dosage for the test prop. I think old timers felt like me that taper wasn't a sudden increase in strength and would easier on the joints. Less risk of injury. Both I know lots of guys just jump in what would you recommend for dosage? Any recommends for the t3?

[HDH]

I would run the Test P at 500 or 600mg per week. Not really sure what you're used to. If your not used to Prop, I would go with the Enan or Cyp. I'm assuming it's a bulk but it could be a cut by looking at the cycle. Any particular reason you are going with Prop?

First cycle? Or first in a long time?

I would also suggest one or the other on the A-dex and Nolva. Both are not necessary. Running A-dex or Nolva is more of a choice. It just depends on if you want to carry water or not. If you run the Nolva, I would go to 10mg a day instead of 20mg while on cycle. Running the A-dex at .5mg EOD would be fine.

You shouldn't expect the same water gain with Prop as a longer ester and you don't want to use unnecessary or to much of the ancillaries.


As far as the pyramid cycle goes you will want your blood levels to be stable. You will accomplish that by keeping the Test levels the same throughout the cycle. Just take it easy at first so you don't have to worry about injuries. I know it's tough but do what you gotta do.

If you don't mind, include your stats in the next post.

Cycle experience. (How many, what were they)

Training experience. (How long)

Hight

weight

BF% or a close guesstimation.

HDH

[ajdos]

HCG every week?
Look HCG is good to get your boys back up and running and keep natural test stimulated but if your going to use test AND run HCG you can actually suppress the HPTA even more and have the opposite of the intended effect.

Even more is why no HCG as PCT?

[Lhouay]

HCG every week?
Look HCG is good to get your boys back up and running and keep natural test stimulated but if your going to use test AND run HCG you can actually suppress the HPTA even more and have the opposite of the intended effect.

Even more is why no HCG as PCT?

Please explain why using HCG with Test will suppress the HPTA even more!! The concensus is that a low dose of HCG (250ui*2/ week) begining
Week 2~3 will keep the testes from turning into raisins, thus helping the HPTA to recover faster once u start PCT?

[ketsugo]

Wow , I'm going to preface this by saying my intention is to provide empirical advice from my over a decade of multiple cycle use and helping 20 something kids Lear too ! So if I sound harsh , I apologize. I think it needs ALOT of work, I would never recommend it, I would never describe it as a decent cycle, the amounts are way way off, it looks respectfully to me like a cycle that a total beginner who knows absolutely nothing , make a series of absurd guesses , is Paranoid or timid of how things work and because of that created a haphazard , mixed up cycle . First the base of a cycle is testosterone - it should do best at minimum of 500 week, it makes no sense to go up and down with the dosage, the hgh at 10 iu? Have you any experience? What a waste!! I could not even begin to answer the hcg question because the cycle is so far from making sense that why bother? You need to not cycle at all and do more research, take advice from veterans not noobs, the other members on this forum know their stuff . If I were you my first thing would be
Test 500 mg week
Hgh 4iu qd
T-3/4 50 mg qd
Novaldex 10 mg qd

I say try that or something

Later as you become more advanced you increase your hgh by like 2iu daily but 4-6?should be enough for awhile , unless of course you are planning on the Olympia? Lol

[Shamrockbear1]

Ok to ketsugo well a few things yes my first cycle I would say was 22 years ago oh yes long time ago with a bombs.. Secondly, at my age 40 I can't stay on gear for 22 years. I am doing HGH for the first time so I would say that yes I have maxed out my potential with gear. Also, reason for using prop. is because unlike many guys, yes I do get tested specifically for gear, so clearing my system is important. Yes tapering is a old school mentality so I have no problem going with a straight amount which is what I was asking for in an earlier post. Also, I don't plan on doing to many more cycles after this so I am trying to maximize my results given my limitations. I will have to argue about the 10iu blast from many users experienced and pro they are pretty clear that the 10iu blast is just as good as any method used so sorry saving it for later doesnt make sense unless your a cheapskate. Also, I don't see a whole lot of issue with hcg other than a 250 or 500 dosage. Also, I was asking about nova or adex so I understand I don't have to use both. So I may take one or the other not sure. As far as the t3 I think cycle is the smart way to go without desensitizing the thyroid from all I have read and understand I just not sure of dosages since it's first time using in a cycle.
Since, you feel your the salty veteran why don't you tell me what you would run given my limitations and also with the understanding that I need a PCT that will bring me out of steroid induced hypogonadism. Go on pro you lay it out for me.

[ajdos]

Please explain why using HCG with Test will suppress the HPTA even more!! The concensus is that a low dose of HCG (250ui*2/ week) begining
Week 2~3 will keep the testes from turning into raisins, thus helping the HPTA to recover faster once u start PCT?

Sorry if I happen to disagree with the consensus. And I have seen it send a strong enough signal to the HPTA with some individuals that it shut them down even harder.
It depends on the individual and if you read my statement is says it "can" not that it "will"
But you better be pretty damned sure or you will have less than raisins.
Really doubt you need to start HCG weeks 2-3 your systems is barely experiencing any shutting down at that point, IF you want to do that theres no reason not too wait til week 5+

[Glycomann]

Wow , I'm going to preface this by saying my intention is to provide empirical advice from my over a decade of multiple cycle use and helping 20 something kids Lear too ! So if I sound harsh , I apologize. I think it needs ALOT of work, I would never recommend it, I would never describe it as a decent cycle, the amounts are way way off, it looks respectfully to me like a cycle that a total beginner who knows absolutely nothing , make a series of absurd guesses , is Paranoid or timid of how things work and because of that created a haphazard , mixed up cycle . First the base of a cycle is testosterone - it should do best at minimum of 500 week, it makes no sense to go up and down with the dosage, the hgh at 10 iu? Have you any experience? What a waste!! I could not even begin to answer the hcg question because the cycle is so far from making sense that why bother? You need to not cycle at all and do more research, take advice from veterans not noobs, the other members on this forum know their stuff . If I were you my first thing would be
Test 500 mg week
Hgh 4iu qd
T-3/4 50 mg qd
Novaldex 10 mg qd

I say try that or something

Later as you become more advanced you increase your hgh by like 2iu daily but 4-6?should be enough for awhile , unless of course you are planning on the Olympia? Lol

This is a lot better. I would keep the hCG in the cycle. At 250-500 iu every 3 days you will not cause desensitization and recovery will be smoother. Don't go over 500 EOD or you could end up desensitizing. also, don't use hCG once the AAS stops if using it this way. That would be the time to let the hypothalamus and pituitary start talking to each over again and hCG would be a detriment at that point. Stop the hCG when the AAS stops or within a week, start taking a SERM no later than 2 weeks past your Test E last shot and you are good. You also may wish to work up to your 4 iu of hGH. Some people are very sensitive to the carpel tunnel like syndrome and swelling in the extremities. Starting at 2 iu or even a little less and working up to your 4 iu over a few weeks might give you less grief.

[Glycomann]

Sorry if I happen to disagree with the consensus. And I have seen it send a strong enough signal to the HPTA with some individuals that it shut them down even harder.
It depends on the individual and if you read my statement is says it "can" not that it "will"
But you better be pretty damned sure or you will have less than raisins.
Really doubt you need to start HCG weeks 2-3 your systems is barely experiencing any shutting down at that point, IF you want to do that theres no reason not too wait til week 5+

Shut down happens a lot faster than you think then. It happens as soon as your body senses increased androgens/estrogens, which is within hours if not minutes of the first injection.

[ajdos]

Shut down happens a lot faster than you think then. It happens as soon as your body senses increased androgens/estrogens, which is within hours if not minutes of the first injection.

The degree of shutdown is going to depend on the individual, I have done cycles and had someone ****ing gank me on my PCT and recovered just fine with NO PCT.
So your telling me that your body is that shut down that early on after the first injection that HCG is needed right away? Sorry I dont buy into it.
Again plenty of people dont use HCG until the PCT portion of their cycles and their HPTA lives to tell the tale.

[Rottenrogue]

I am pming Glyco what I edited Aj. I do think the topic needs talked about ,just not in this post.

[GreatGunz]

I dont get it!?
You come on here and ask for help and when
It is given you get an attitude and sarcastic as a kid!

I'm 41 and only use hcg from week 5-6 forward you do not
need to run it from the start.

If you really want help you'll get it but listen to your answers
that you are given.....if you want to argue or not listen then dont ask.
This is a great place to be,alot of help and knowledge you have access to