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so the other week there was a discussion in one of the threads regarding the use of winny and var in women. var was talked about a lot but the winny (Stanozolol) really wasnt touched on very much. i figure since they can both be taken orally that they are probably high on the list for women.
what are the advantages and disadvantages of each of them?
is one better for strength?
cutting?
water retention?
duration of use?
side effects?
dosage?
cost?
Generally both are mentioned "for women". They both have comparable half-lives & detection times - this means they both follow the same dosing schedule and clear the system on the same timeframe. The short half-life and detection times are preferred for women because you can stop and let the compound clear in a faster time than most other compounds if you don't like the sides and also the shorter duration in the system tends to keep more control of the sides if you do continue. Also both being oral (tho winstrol is also available as a water-based injectable, that you can also drink if you don't like needles), they are seen as "less hardcore" because there isn't all the stigma & drama associated w/ needles.
From a 'safety' standpoint, generally there is very little in the way of research related to any steroid & women, so we have to fall back on the studies that are available in other scenarios. Anavar is a pharma-grade compound that has been approved for, and widely used to treat wasting diseases. It is considered "safe". To this end it is the most 'predictable' and 'mild' in terms of sides, especially for women where even a tiny bump in testosterone levels can have dramatic impact on the female sytem because it immediately blows the natural proportion of test /estro /progest levels. You can't avoid the sides related to AAS use, but at least w/ anavar, it is fairly consistent, and mild relative to most others. On of the greatest advantages of any steroid is its 'recovery' aspect. You can train much more aggressively with the support of better recovery. Anavar will produce mild gains that are generally maintainable once you come off the cycle. The quality of those gains will depend on the quality of your diet & training. Leanness also comes w/ a cycle, but again, because the basic function of a steroid is to increase lean muscle mass, if you aren't already lean (e.g. 15% or smaller) the additional muscle mass can make you appear more "thick" than lean. Some women experience water retention on it as well. Typical sides are oily skin/hair/acne, water retention, interrupted period (expect this w/ anything that screws w/ your hormone profile), increased size / sensitivity of the clitoris. Occasionally some women experience headaches or nose bleeds from it. Nothing is guaranteed w/ any AAS, but var is the most reliable. (Assuming whatever you have is actually anavar and dosed correctly).
Winstrol is used pharmaceutically to treat hereditary angioedema, which causes episodes of swelling of the face, extremities, genitals, bowel wall, and throat. Stanozolol may decrease the frequency and severity of these attacks. It is much more anabolic than anavar and as such, the sides are less predictable and can be much more aggressive than noted in anavar. Included in the common sides are - oily skin/hair/acne, interrupted period, increased size/sensitivity of the clitoris, hairloss, voice change. Winstrol doesn't aromatize (convert to estrogen) so no water retention is expected. Further it has some anti-estrogenic aspects that can act to dry you out even more than otherwise. This is great for a cutting cycle, however in suppressing some estrogen, there is also the effect of dry joints which can be painful and promote joint / tendon injury. Effects are primarily good recovery and lean muscle gain, w/ the anti-estrogen effect, make a great cutter. In terms of predictabilty, it is often called the "snakebite drug" - it either likes you or it doesn't. Some people experience a low grade fever / feel sick within a week or two of running it.
what are the advantages and disadvantages of each of them? -- see above & pick out what you consider advantages & disadvantages for your particular goal.
is one better for strength?
- both - quality of strength will depend on the diet & training you support it with. Both produce generally maintainable results. Because winstrol acts as a bit of an estrogen suppressor, muscle hypertrophy will be limited (as muscles require water to grow). Usually for a cutter cycle, winstrol would be the more aggressive whereas anavar would be useful for both a cutting cycle or a bulker - w/ your diet & training driving your goals. And for women, anavar will always be the more predictable.
cutting?- either tho if you are ok w/ the potential for more sides, winstrol is the more aggressive for cutting. Anavar is more limited in that it has the potential to produce water retention (only way you'll know if you experience that is if you try it). In most cases, unless the water retention is really bad, the effect is minimal and for most women's competition categories doesn't matter that much (everyone is moving away from the ultra ripped look). At the worst, you would just drop the compound at 10-14 days out from your target show or event date to let your body naturally dump the water.
water retention?
- potentially w/ anavar
- winstrol doesn't aromatize.
duration of use?
- Women can run cycles at low doses for much longer than men can so for either a typical cycle could be 10 mg /day for 12 weeks. No need to increase. For anavar, the general max for dosing is at 20-25 mg /day (noting that just because I said this doesnt' mean you always need to use it - more is not better. The point is to find ehe amount that is sufficient for your goals as balanced w/ your tolerance for sides, and the balance of return on investment w/ it.) Cost-wise and sides-wise if you feel you need to go more than 20-25 mg /day, most people will switch to a more aggressive compound. Same w/ winstrol. Winstrol can also be dosed if you're doing the injectible, e.g. 50 mg E3D - if you work it out on a per day average, it still generally comes out to no more than 25 mg /day.
side effects?
- see above
dosage?
- see above
cost?
- anavar tends to be more expensive than winstrol. Historically winstrol has also been easier to get a hold of. (Usually more in liquid form.)
i was hoping that you would see this and respond sassy. thanks for the info.
Awesome post Sassy69! right-on
I'm taking a few classes on medicinal chemistry , and never knew about that clinical application of W.
Last edited by SHINE; 09-17-2011 at 05:39 PM.
aside from the obvious use, we also use winny for debilitated horses. i have used it in old horses that have been ill and cant gain weight or horses that have suffered from long illnesses or been starved. oxandrolone is way too spendy to use in a horse.Originally Posted by SHINE
Good stuff ATW! thanks for posting.
Have seen anavar used for burn victims and oxymetholne but not the W.
You guys got me all excited now to do some research on the use of stanozolol clinicaly in humans! lol
Last edited by SHINE; 09-17-2011 at 06:01 PM.
Winstrol & Equipoise are considered "vet-quality" drugs but I wanted to see if winstrol had any pharma applications and it does, which was interesting.
My experience at watching females use anavar is water retention everytime, not very effective at 5mg ED but very effective at 10, very mild with just a little manageable back acne as a side, potent muscle gains with a definite hardness, uninterrupted period at a dose of 10 but elevated PMS, easily maintained gains post cycle, highly elevated energy levels.
i loved using stano in horses. you could get some great performance improvement without the aggression that one saw with equipose or nandrolone. my favorite was tren. i could use it for three days before a race and make a horse on the muscle and then a few days later they were back to normal. the hardest thing with using it in horses was getting the trainers to dose it often enough. they all just wanted to give one big shot a month which was ok for large doses of equipose but not so good with the others.
sounds like var is a good way to go. if one stacked with clen could they keep the water retention down? i know the times that i have cycled clen it tightens me up big time.
You might be right, I'll let you know in a couple monthsReally a big part of it becomes strict diet control, not unlike a man using an AAS compound that tends to create bloat.
Winny made me a raging bitch I can NOT use it and will NEVER use it again.
Var..........I am in love. Fav thing to run.
nice thread, thx for the explanation Sassy, i was worried i wanted to start a cycle for my GF but don't have access for var these days, winny is much easier to find, i have the 10mg tabs (UG lab) she already did half a tab (5mg) daily as a first cycle early this summer plus clen for a month with a strict diet and high volume training but didn't notice that much difference, now i see that she can easily take 10mg and for longer extended periods.
btw on 5mg stano she had a little hair increase on her belly area it's like the same old light ones but thickened, any idea if on 10mg things will be worsened too much ? she's going to do laser removal later if they grow more anyway, but afraid from other places like the face, any comment on that ?
any replies r appreciated
no intentions to steal the thread but i'm a newbie on this forum and i see mods and seniors on this thread.
thx.
lol..o shit...i can just picture u at home runing everyone away with the bitching....the shit a man has to put up with.....dw
ATW...i dont know if winny affects the joints with females but considering u have joint problems winny would make your joints scream bloody murder....just saying....Var would be your ticket in every aspect...dw
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