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10 has no test. the beginner cycle should be test only. etc...
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by guss Published on 02-14-2011 08:16 PMThere are loads of great cycles of steroids aimed at different standards of bodybuilder or looking at different outcome. I've just picked out ten great ones and given a brief description for each. Please bear in mind that sometimes there are different names for drugs depending on where you are in the world or who makes it.
Most importantly - do not even consider using steroids unless your diet is ideal for gaining muscle mass, even if you are looking to increase your definition. You should also be training very hard and regular. Make sure your natural gains have slowed down if this is to be your first time.
Gynecomastia (presence of female breast tissue) and other aromatising side effects of some steroids (for example water retention) may be more apparent in certain individuals. If this is a problem take 20mg per day of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen until symptoms disappear, then continue with 10mg per day until the end of the cycle, or Clomid. It is generally thought best not to take Nolvadex unless you have these side effects, though it is good practice to keep some in stock in case it's required.
Clomid or HCG may be taken post cycle if a few weeks break is expected. This is in order to help kick start your own natural testosterone secretion, to minimise post-cycle side effects and, more importantly, to minimise any muscle loss after a course. There are a number of recommended ways to take Clomid, but an effective method is: 100mg per day for 7 days commencing 7-18 days post cycle depending on what is in the cycle. This is followed by a further 50mg per day for a further 2 weeks.
Some folk prefer to use HCG, and after heavy stacks both may be suggested. HCG should commence during the last week, with a jab weekly, for 3 jabs of 2500iu each.
Also I've not mentioned beta-agonists, thyroid hormones or growth hormone in this article. These can be added to any of the stacks as appropriate.
1. Beginner Cycle #1
The most frequently asked question in the steroids forum is for a great effective beginners cycle:
Deca durabolan - 200-400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
This is a standard first course recommended by most, even if the individual wishes to lose fat (as diet is the key to fat mobilisation, NOT gear). Whether you opt for Testaviron or Sustanon is personal choice or depends on availability; both are great drugs. 400mg of Deca per week is generally assumed to be the minimum amount for gains, however, many first time users do extremely well on less than this.
Continue on this for the full 8 weeks, but if you are still growing well, why stop? Review gains every two weeks, and it may be continued for 10, 12 or more weeks.
Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 10-14 days afterwards.
The testosterone and the Deca can be split down into 2-3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of Deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of Deca (2ml).
2. Beginners Cycle #2 - The Classic Mass Builder
This is a variation on the above:
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Sustanon 250 OR Testaviron depot - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Dianabol - 30mg per day, six days per week for 6 weeks
This stack should produce good results for the steroid user looking for mass. Here the Deca should be 400mg for optimum effects, and the Dianabol at the onset helps kick start the cycle while you are waiting for the longer acting Deca and test to take effect.
Nolvadex should be on hand in case symptoms of aromatisation become apparent. Clomid should be used post cycle commencing at 10-14 days afterwards. You may hold a lot of water from this brought about by the Dianabol and the testosterone but this can be reduced by the use of Nolvadex / Tamoxifen or Arimidex.
The dosage of Dianabol may be divided out through out the day and taken every 3-4 hrs as it has such a short half-life. Though most people take half in the morning and half in the evening. Take them with / after a protein-based meal.
The testosterone and the Deca can be split down into 3 shots per week: 250mg of test (1ml) plus 100mg of Deca (1ml) mixed into the same syringe, and another of 200mg of Deca (2ml).
[B]3. Nick's Favourite - well, one of many![/B
]One of my many favourites, again a variation on the above, just with more dosage. This one is a great mass builder and for the more advanced bodybuilder:
Testaviron depot - 750mg per week for 8 weeks
Deca durabolan - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Dianabol (Naposims) - 30mg per day, Monday to Friday weeks 2-7
This is a big stack, but not huge, but bloody great !!! I always seem to grow well on Testaviron.
The above instructions apply, i.e. Nolvadex, Clomid, etc. Clomid should begin 7 days post cycle.
4. A Biggy Here
Trident claims this is his favourite cycle which he has done a few times:
Weeks 1 - 4
Sustanon 250 - 1,000mg per week
Testaviron depot - 1,000mg per week
Anadrol50 / Anapolan 50 - 100mg per day
Weeks 5 - 8
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week
Testaviron depot - 1,500mg per week
Dianabol / Anabol - 50mg per day
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Weeks 9 - 12
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week
Testaviron depot - 250mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Nolvadex 10mg per day all through
Proviron - 50mg per day weeks 2 to 6.
Commence Clomid week 10 - 50mgs per day for 14 days
HCG - 2 shots per week of 2500iu with the Clomid
This is a big cycle, and very androgenic. Like me, Trident swears by Testaviron. Side effects may be high, hence the use of Nolvadex throughout, and the use of Clomid commencing 14 days afterwards, and HCG before the end of the cycle. The use of HCG gets your own testosterone levels up before any fall in androgens. There is a degree of tapering in this cycle due to its high testosterone amounts.
5. The Super Stack
This is another great lean mass builder, from a prominent member:
Finajet / Trenbolone - 75mg per day
Winstrol - 50mg per day
Testosterone propionate / Viromone - 100mg every other day
A six-week course and the usual precautions apply.
6. 'Sus-deca-dbol-end-with-winny' Stack
A favorite cycle is the 'Sus-deca-dbol-end-with-winny' cycle:
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week, weeks 1-10
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week, weeks 1-10
Dianabol - 35mg per day, weeks 1-4
Winstrol 30mg/ed, weeks 5-10
This is another great mass builder. The usual precautions apply.
7. A Testosterone-Free Lean Mass Builder
This is one if you want to avoid testosterone-based steroids. It's too often assumed that just because 'mild' steroids like Primabolan are not very androgenic, then they're not very good mass builders. Remember, all steroids are anabolic, and Primabolan as part of a stack is an excellent adjunct:
Primabolan depot - 300mg per week for 8 weeks
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks
Winstrol - 150mg per week, weeks 2-7
This is not a huge stack, but is great for building quality, lean size (coupled with a sensible diet). We have a number of non-bodybuilding members of MuscleTalk, e.g. athletes, footballers, etc, and this may be a great cycle for them to try.
8. The Frontloader
This is a great cycle from Knorkop, used as an example of frontloading Equipoise and Deca:
Week 1 - Frontloading
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 800mg per week
Deca durabolan - 800mg per week
Testosterone propionate / Viromone - 100 mg every other day
Week 2
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Testosterone propionate / Viromone - 100 mg every other day
Week 3 - 4
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Winstrol - 50mg every other day
Week 5 - 8
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Winstrol - 50mg every other day
Week 9 and 10:
Equipoise / Bolderbol-H - 400mg per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
Testosterone propionate / Viromone: 100mg every other day
This is a great lean mass builder again, showing how frontloading is done. The downside is a lot of jabs, due to Equipoise being just 50mg per 1ml. The usual precautions apply, and use HCG and Clomid post cycle at 7 days.
9. A Mind Blower:
This 'Mind Blowing Stack' was posted by Wrongun. It is a heavy androgenic cycle, and only for use by the experienced gear-user.
Testaviron depot - 1,000mg per week, weeks 1-10
Equipoise - 800mg per week, weeks 1-10
Dianabol - 50-75mg per day, weeks 1-5/6
Testosterone suspension - 100mg per day, weeks 1-4/5
Finajet/Trenbolone - 150mg per day, last 4-6 weeks
Winstrol at the last - 100mg per day, last 4-6 weeks
This is not for the faint hearted, and certainly for advanced bodybuilders only. Equipoise is used rather than Deca so as not to overdo progesterone aromatisation. This involves a lot of injections, so try to get Ttokkyo Equipoise, as this is 200mg per 1ml, as opposed to Ganabol or Bolderbol H, which is 50mg per 1ml.
Side effects will be high on this so take precautions. I would recommend Nolvadex use throughout at 10mg per day, or Arimidex 1mg every other day. Clomid and HCG post cycle are a must - commence the HCG in the last week of the cycle, but Clomid 14 days afterwards
10. Another Favorite Cycle
Nice and simple, but very effective:
Anadrol 50 / Anapolan 50 - 100mg per day, 6 days per week
Deca durabolan - 400mg per week
The usual precautions are a must here and in all steroid cycles, with Clomid commencing 7 days post cycle.
i disagree with most of those.
10 has no test. the beginner cycle should be test only. etc...
I also disagree with most. Front-loading is bunk. If you run the numbers, it does no good and screws your blood levels up for a few weeks. A complete myth that keeps getting handed down in the gym. EQ and nandrolone decanoate for only 10-weeks?
In fact, a few of the cycles have deca for only 8 weeks. That doesn't make sense to me.
DU, can you show me the numbers on an EQ 14 cycle, run at 600mg/wk, with it frontloaded at 1.2g/wk for the first two weeks? I want to believe you, but I presently don't. But the numbers won't lie. BTW, I hate EQ, it does nothing for me, but I'd consider frontloading test e. You're saying to run prop for a few weeks with test e, I suppose.
I also disagree and think most of these are just wrong... But who am I?
You are IronCore. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Deca for a first cycle? Wow... And then deca with no test... Was this written by a penis hating lesbian?
LolololololOriginally Posted by PillarofBalance
"Frontloading really doesn’t, or at least not as I use the word, mean running higher levels of steroids in the earlier part of the cycle.
It means employing a dosing protocol where levels almost immediately reach what will be the later steady-state levels of the drug.
When not frontloading — simply using the drug at the same dosing as will be used throughout — it takes several to many half-lives for levels to build up to where they will ultimately arrive.
Instead, one can inject on the first day an amount equal to that which is on average injected per half-life, plus what will be the ongoing dose. This will lead to fairly promptly having the same levels that will be the case throughout the cycle.E.g., if a drug’s half-life is two days and the ongoing plan is to inject daily, then to frontload the first day’s injection is three days’ worth.
If a drug’s half-life is six days and the ongoing plan is to inject every other day, then to frontload the first day’s injection is four times the ongoing amount. (As there would be three injections per half-life, and then add one.)"
– Bill Roberts
7. A Testosterone-Free Lean Mass Builder - is this valid? just asking without test in the cycle.. i am still in my learning stages so this one looks doubtful..
theoreticly it would be the same as using prohormone type cycle.
you can get some gains......But the right way to do it is with a test base almost always,You will gain much more mass retain more weight etc.
stacking the proper orals with test and or other injectables and welcome to ur life of body evolution
I like tren alone so maybe some people would do well with these. But I eo agree a first cycle should be test.
Almost all of these "cycles" are completely stupid IMO.
Come on. Test and deca for 8 weeks? I would never recommend Deca for a first cycle, or even a 4th or 5th for that matter. The test will only have about 3-4 weeks to do anything at all.
Testaviron depot - 750mg per week for 8 weeks
Deca durabolan - 500mg per week for 8 weeks
Dianabol (Naposims) - 30mg per day, Monday to Friday weeks 2-7
Since when is 750mg of test and 500mg of Deca a beginner cycle?
Wanna see a good starter cycle?
Test E - 500mg per week for 12 weeks Maybe throw in 25-30 of dbol for the first 4-5 weeks. Thats it. Nothing complex, and your balls will thank you.
What to see a good intermediate cycle?
Test E - 500-750mg per week for 14 weeks
dbol - 30mg per day for the first 6 weeks
EQ - 600mg per week for 14 weeks
Both of these I think are much better cycles than anything I seen above.
With that many cycles missing Test and pushing Nor's, that sir seems to be a guarantee. I wouldn't run any of those cycles. JMHO.
Running winny and deca at the same time..... surely thats defeating the object of taking either.....
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