How would you rank Designer orals VS other 17aas.

[Vick]

So we all pretty much know how to compare Anadrol, Dbol, Var, and Winstrol, but how does Oral Tren, Phera, Sdrol, M1T, MDIEN, MHN, and EPI rank with them? I've seen the anabolic/androgenic numbers on them but doesn't mean much to me when Halo and cheque drops have huge numbers but not huge gains.

I've never tried M1T but I hear it's better than Dbol and see it poppin up everywhere, but is it better than Anadrol or Var for strength, gains, and sides?

Basically I use orals for about 4 weeks to kick off a cycle, so I don't mind water retention because I tend to always run Proviron or Masteron. Back in the day I would stack Anadrol and Halo to really tear up some muscle fibers and I did find Phera/Proviron/Winstrol to be even more effective than that though.

Just wondering what the vets have stumbled upon.

[GreatGunz]

M1t is pretty rough on your system......good gains but you most likely
feel like shit while using it.
Epi & pheraplex is an ok stack strength wise ....

I personally don't Ds anymore.

[Stumpy]

I used to use M1T a lot a few years back when it was legal. 25mg was a good enough dose but damn was it harsh. Acne appeared in no time at all, lower back pains, incredible pumps. I liked it and literally bought thousands of the damn things. My oral of choice these days would have to be Tbol.

[SHINE]

M1T was the only one I was really impressed with, but yea it will make you feel like shit and piss orange in a hurry!

[crunk-flexx]

Epi all the way

[Bigzach1234]

Epi is so damn weak.. Ok for a recomp or a cut. But no weight gain barely anything strength gain. Have to run 50mg and above to get anything,,, I'd love to try it again at a high dose .. first thing I ever ran got nothing till I hit 50mg. Then it was decent for a first timer,,,
Pplex was a very good bulker at 30 and above.. 5-6 weeks with some test p. Nice cycle

X-tren and clones r phenomenal for strength gains.. Also a great recomper

Ran xtren with pplex once.. Absolutely loved it.. Still have a little xtren and few bottles of pplex. Wish I could. Get more x tren to stack with the pplex. But it's so damn expensive everywhere

Sdrol is obviously great for whatever. Dry lean explosive gains in mass and strength. It's the absolute strongest steroid ever made period .. Most will agree... Mny many sides accompany it tho,, if u can handle it..3 weeks and you'll look like a different person Terrible sides for most tho,,,


IMO I think and have always wanted to try epi along side prop/tren/mast stack as opposed to winstrol.. 50-60mg six weeks with that stack. Great dry hard grainy look

[Bigzach1234]

I say that^ cause epi is far more mild the wini and won't add to the sides or throw your cholesterol in the shitter worse then already with the stack.. Plus not as much joint dryness and chance if injury from increasing strength too much with dry joints

Prop/tren/mast/epi/t3. 6 weeks and you will transform

[Vick]

I did a little experiment with Epi/Phera/MDIEN stack and was impressed but as soon as I started pissing like an alcoholic I started taking every herb I could find and was all good lol. I'm thinking next time an M1T/Sdrol stack with OCT of course.

[JackD]

I don't mess with DS anymore, to dangerous IMO. As far as DS compared with Orals is concerned, Var, dbol, drol, are much better than phera, xtren, h-drol...ect, and the regular gear gives much better more consistent results because they are used so often, and they don't make you feel like shit either. Who has ever taken dbol and felt like shit???.... Exactly

[Tiny]

I ran halodrol and thought it was okay. No real sides except lethargy beginning around week 3 and crazy bicep/forearm pumps/cramps. Didn't really get any gains until week 3 or 4, not much of a kickstart.

I ran Methadrol for about 1 week and dropped it because I felt like shit. I didn't take it long enough to see any benefits, I felt poisoned.

If I wanted a good kick start for your cycle, I would run short esters. Most of the designers seem to take 3+ weeks for any benefit. I do like dbol though.

[Cabo Jo]

I used to use M1T a lot a few years back when it was legal. 25mg was a good enough dose but damn was it harsh. Acne appeared in no time at all, lower back pains, incredible pumps. I liked it and literally bought thousands of the damn things. My oral of choice these days would have to be Tbol.

me too,the acne was crazy got the shit on top of my head.tbol is in the works for my next cutter.