Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

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  1. fowzee

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    Background

    Age: 32
    Weight: 92kg/201lbs
    Height: 5'10"
    Prior 2 cycles: (1) Enanthate, Sus, Deca for 16 weeks, (2) Sus for 12 weeks

    Diet is fine. Working out 6 days per week.

    Goal

    Primarily to gain mass, but I would also like to harden the mass I already have and cut up a bit (which is why I've thrown in the Masteron).

    Anavar is proving too difficult to source in Australia and I've heard Winstrol hurts like a bitch, otherwise I would have used them.

    Proposed Cycle

    Weeks 1-14: Sustanon 250mg EOD
    Weeks 1-16: Tren Ace 100mg EOD
    Weeks 7-16: Masteron P 100mg EOD
    Weeks 3-16: HCG 200IU E4D
    Weeks 3-16: Arimidex 0.25mg E3D

    Proposed PCT

    Week 17: nothing
    Week 18: nothing
    Weeks 19-21: 40mg Nolvadex ED (25mg Aromasin ED, if I can get it)
    Weeks 22-24: 20mg Nolvadex ED (25mg Aromasin ED, if I can get it)

    Any suggestions, critiques, improvements appreciated - thanks!
     
  2. IronCore

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    I personally think you are just spinning your wheels using sust with mast and tren ace... It will work... but not as well as another form of test.. like Test prop...

    Sustanon has test deconate in it which has a 15 day half life... why would you want to mix a long ester with two short esters... doesnt make since.

    Sustanon was designed originally for TRT... not what we do... the dosing schedule for sust trt is once E2W...

    pinning sust EOD to maximize the prop levels is just bro science... very little of the sust blend is prop... the bulk is mid and long esters... it will work... but there are others out there better suited for what you need... like Test PROP...

    And starting your pct 2 weeks after running sust is also wrong... your last shot is just kicking in after two weeks (deconate ester)

    To do a pct correctly you need to do the math according to dosage and ester half life... and for Test deconate you will need to wait no less than 6 weeks.

    from your previous cycles it appears you need to gain a little more knowledge about gear before you run another... Stop listening to the guys in the gym and learn for yourself... Why would you run Test E with Sust? Why not one or the other....
     
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  3. GreatGunz

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    ^^^^^ agreed prop is easy to get ,Gives good results and as for winny hurting like a bitch,Maybe whom ever told you that was just that a bitch!
    If discomfort is an issue than gear maybe an issue!
     
  4. fowzee

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    Thanks guys. Not sure why using two short esters are bad to use with a long ester, but I'll drop the Masteron and consider Test Prop or Winny for the last 6 weeks.

    The first two cycles were designed for me by someone else. That's why I've stopped using gear for a year and been researching a shitload. This cycle I'm designing myself.

    As for the PCT, I've done the math and used the following site:

    PCT Calculator - Post Cycle Therapy Calculator - Post Cycle Therapy

    I stop Sustanon at week 14, so the Sus (i.e. the longest ester) is done for 4 weeks before I begin PCT. I could start 5 or 6 weeks after, but it doesn't look like it makes much of a difference according to the calcs/chart. I'm not doing monster Sus dosages.

    If I drop the Masteron, and taking into account the PCT calculator I linked and the fact I'm starting PCT 4 weeks after my last Sus shot, does the cycle look good?
     
  5. IronCore

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    NO... are you listening????


    DROP THE SUST!!!!

    KEEP THE MASTERON AND ADD TEST PROP!
     
  6. Get Some

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    Easy killer, lol... I can see that no test is like being on tren for you

    For the OP....
    Test Prop/Tren Ace/Masteron... that's a perfect combo to cut with and even gain a little size along the way. You can adjust your diet to get the desired results. The number of calories you consume daily will be the biggest factor influencing your gains. For a true cut, you've got to put yourself in a deficit. To gain, you have to go above and beyond.
     
  7. fowzee

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    Hey Iron,

    Yep - listening and trying to understand. 2 questions:

    1) I have been trying to filter out good advice from bad advice etc. but it's difficult - I have been all over a bunch of forums for months now. I've never come across the advice that you should use similar ester lengths in your cycle until now (and now I see it everywhere when I google, go figure...but no one explains it). Why is this?

    2) I'm trying to bulk up first and foremost. Cutting is secondary. If I do a test enanthate (250mg EOD)/tren acetate (100mg EOD) cycle, is that a decent combo in your opinion?

    3) If I did the masteron/test prop/tren ace cycle, would that be more of a bulk or more of a cutting cycle? What dosage and when for test prop?

    Thanks for the help - still learning!
     
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  8. Get Some

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    IF you are dead set on running tren, you want to run tren E instead of ace IMO. Run long esters with twice weekly injections only. Some people don't realize that larger injections twice weekly as opposed to smaller injections EOD with mid-length esters will actually give you higher overall levels. Your levels will be very consistent with EOD injections, but you won't have many "peaks". The same thing goes for EOD vs ED injections with short esters.

    IMO, run this....

    Sustanon 750mg EW
    Deca 500mg EW
    EQ 500mg EW

    maybe throw in some dbol in the beginning and end your last 3-4 weeks with just test prop. If you can't gain a shit ton of size on that cycle then you are not eating enough food my friend.
     
  9. BikerTrash

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    My opinion , keep in mind that IronCore and those guys are way more knowledgable than I ,,but
    I feel your Question 3 listed above would be a cut cycle for sure ..
    You want to bulk up first and foremost than In my eyes you wouldnt run the Mast /Tren .
    If you wanna bulk and are serious abotu bulking go with like
    Test E
    Deca
    and do 6 weeks of Dbol at the begining or end .
    Just a old school bulk cycle
     
  10. IronCore

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    Ummm thats THREE (3) questions!
     
  11. fowzee

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    Forgot to edit the 2 when I editted it and added that last question :) Thanks for reply.

    For the cutting cycle of Test Prop, Tren Ace, Masteron - would running each of those at 100mg EOD for the full 16 weeks be recommended?

    For bulking cycle, I would have liked to get my hands on Tren Enanthate instead of Tren Ace, but in Australia it's difficult to source.

    What would be the effect of just doing a Sus/EQ cycle? Why the need for deca? And what would the proper doses be?
     
  12. Get Some

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    Deca will put the most size on you. EQ will add size but keep you fairly lean in the process... and I gave you a dosing protocol in my last post :)
     

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