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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by cgliss7 View Post
    Im on the verge of finishing my cycle. Im doing Test Prop for 9 weeks and from weeks 6-10 I am stacking 50mg of winny tab. Obviously the last week is all winny with no prop. When is the proper time to start my post cycle? 3 days after the last pin, or the day after last winny pill?
    why are you running whinny alone for the last week?

    Quote Originally Posted by AllTheWay View Post
    and look what a brief search found right in the section where you posted

    http://www.theironden.com/pct-post-c...art-times.html
    http://www.theironden.com/pct-post-c...l-control.html
    http://www.theironden.com/pct-post-c...e-therapy.html
    http://www.theironden.com/pct-post-c...lomid-pct.html
    an example of how to ask such questions properly



    http://www.theironden.com/pct-post-c...-protocol.html


    just amazing how much great post cycle info that we have on this board!
    i never get tired of looking at your avi

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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    that info is still of no help. I am simply confused because i know the half life of my prop and that if i were doing prop only would start pct 3 days after last pin. On the winny i would start next day. well ill be done with prop a week before the winny. I did it this way i cant figure out whether to start while on the last week of winny 3 days after my last pin. Or the day after I finish on week 10 and take my last pill. No where does it refer to that, and if not it is not very clear.

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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    honest answer to that is simply my source that I bought it from owed me one and threw in some extra pills when I picked up from him. I looked around and from what i learned it was not going to hurt anything to take it one more extra week and otherwise I would have no use for it. I have read in several places where people do similar things while stacking.

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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    ok cgliss...IF it were me I would only run the winny 3days after the prop. You won't gain anything from the extra 4 days of winny especially with test levels plummeting. So If Sunday was your last Prop pin, take winny into Tues and start PCT Weds.

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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    Cut the remaining four tabs in half and turn the last four days of winny into 75 mg of winstrol a day that way you get the use out of them other than that I agree with Mayo above!

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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by MAYO View Post
    ok cgliss...IF it were me I would only run the winny 3days after the prop. You won't gain anything from the extra 4 days of winny especially with test levels plummeting. So If Sunday was your last Prop pin, take winny into Tues and start PCT Weds.

    That's solid advice cgliss, make sure you start pct on the exact days MAYO mentioned so your system is starting to make it's own test when the Test-P clears your system.

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    Re: When to start Clomid/Nolva post cycle.

    Awesome will do. Thank you very much

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    Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate)
    Clomid stimulates the hypothalamus to, in turn stimulant the anterior pituitary gland to release
    gonadotrophic hormones.
    The gonadotrophic hormones are follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). Follicle
    Stimulating Hormone (FSH) stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone, and LH stimulates them
    to secrete more testosterone. This feedback mechanism is known as the hypothalamic-pituitary-testes
    axis (HPTA), and results in an increase of the body’s own testosterone production.
    Best way to take Clomid is to wait until androgen levels in our blood get lower and you can determine this
    clomid.
    How To Use Clomid
    Day 1 300mg
    Days 2-7 100mg daily
    Days 8-14 50mg daily
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
    Nolvadex is a SERM (Selective Estrogen-Receptor Modulator.) It selectively binds to certain estrogen
    receptors, effectively blocking the estrogen.
    It may be used during steroid cycle in case you feel gyno symptoms at 10mg/day until gyno symptoms go
    away or for Post Cycle Therapy at dosage of 20mg/day for 4 weeks.
    May be stacked with Clomid in some cases.
    How To Use Nolvadex
    20mg/day for 4 weeks after steroid cycle.
    HCG
    HCG – Human chorionic gonadotropin.
    HCG’s role is to stimulate Leydig cells in testes to produce testosterone even when there is not
    endogenous LH.
    Leydig cells, also known as interstitial cells of Leydig, are found adjacent to the seminiferous
    tubules in the testicle. They produce testosterone in the presence of luteinizing hormone (LH).
    Leydig cells are polyhedral in shape, display a large prominent nucleus, an eosinophilic
    cytoplasm and numerous lipid-filled vesicles. (c) WIKIPEDIA
    Now to main point, many use HCG after cycle in order to help restore natural testosterone production but
    we at steroidscycles dot net think that better to use HCG during heavy cycle in order to avoid testicular
    atrophy. Using between 500IU and 1000IU per day for 2 weeks is a good choice. Here is good to add
    10mg of nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) in order to prevent estrogenic symptoms which may appear as a
    result of aromatisation.
    HCG usage during cycle should be stopped with 7 weeks before you begin Post Cycle Therapy.
    How To Use HCG
    500-1000 IU/day for 2 weeks while on heavy steroid cycle

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    ANother from my saved file:

    Oral steroids Drug Active half-life
    Anadrol / Anapolan50 (oxymetholone) 8 to 9 hours
    Anavar (oxandrolone) 9 hours
    Dianabol (methandrostenolone, methandienone) 4.5 to 6 hours
    Methyltestosterone 4 days
    Winstrol (stanozolol)
    (tablets or depot taken orally) 9 hours




    Depot steroids Drug Active half-life
    Deca-durabolin (Nandrolone decanate) 15 days
    Equipoise 14 days
    Finaject (trenbolone acetate) 3 days
    Primobolan (methenolone enanthate) 10.5 days
    Sustanon or Omnadren 15 to 18 days
    Testosterone Cypionate 12 days
    Testosterone Enanthate 10.5 days
    Testosterone Propionate 4.5 days
    Testosterone Suspension 1 day
    * Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 day


    *Winstrol depot does not actually possess a classical half-life because it is un-esterified. Instead, the microcrystals dissolve slowly. Once they have all dissolved levels of the drug fall very rapidly. It is still an important consideration, and we have included it with a half-life of one day.



    Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
    Formate 1.5 days
    Acetate 3 days
    Propionate 4.5 days
    Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
    Butyrate 6 days
    Valerate 7.5 days
    Hexanoate 9 days
    Caproate 9 days
    Isocaproate 9 days
    Heptanoate 10.5 days
    Enanthate 10.5 days
    Octanoate 12 days
    Cypionate 12 days
    Nonanoate 13.5 days
    Decanoate 15 days
    Undecanoate 16.5 days




    Ancillaries Drug Active half-life
    Arimidex 3 days
    Clenbuterol 1.5 days
    Clomid 5 days
    Cytadren 6 hours
    Ephedrine 6 hours
    T3 10 hours


    A practical example is if one was to inject 100mg of testosterone propionate and allow blood levels to peak. In 4.5 days time (half-life duration from the above tables) and providing no other injections had taken place, the level would be reduced to 50mg. Again, a further 4.5 days down the line and levels would have dropped to 25mg, and the value keeps halving every 4.5 days.

    Supps to use after PCT to raise /maintain Test
    Each bodybuilder who did a steroid cycle knows what is to have low testosterone levels after cycle is finished. This is due to the fact that during cycle your body got external testosterone and its ability to produce its own has decreased. However you can have low testosterone production even if you are not after a steroid cycle but due to other reasons such as: unhealthy way of life, junk food, not enough sleep, etc. I will give you examples of a few very important supplements which will raise your testosterone levels.

    Tribulus – Tribulus terrestris is an herbal product that increases testostorone levels by signaling your body to keep producing lutenizing hormone (LH) which in turn manages the production of testosterone. Very good product especially for men after 40 years.
    Zinc – Zinc is necessary to maintain normal serum testosterone. Inadequate zinc levels prevent the pituitary gland from releasing luteinizing and follicle stimulating hormones, which stimulate testosterone production. Zinc deficiency has been found to have a severe impact on the male prostate gland. Zinc deficiency predisposes the prostate to infection (prostatis) which may lead to enlargement of the prostate gland (prostatic hypertrophy). Good sources of zinc include oysters, salmon, brown rice, cheese, pine nuts, red meat, beans, turkey, milk, yogurt, and cottage cheese.

    Vitamin A- ensures that reproductive organs function properly. Enough levels of VitaminA will keep your anabolic hormones at optimal levels and will also lower estrogen levels.

    Vitamin B – help keep hormone levels in balance. Good sources of B Vitamins are salmon, avocadoes, bananas, and eggs.

    Vitamin E – stimulates the production of testosterone. Vitamin E stimulates testosterone production in men (Endocrinol Jpn. 1982 Jun;29(3):287-92).

    Take these supplements and you will have no problems with your testosterone levels thus libido and muscle mass.
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    Best thread yet, Going to read up one the PCTs some more before I post my initial thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ketsugo View Post
    by unknown author in my saved folder/related info
    Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate)
    Clomid stimulates the hypothalamus to, in turn stimulant the anterior pituitary gland to release
    gonadotrophic hormones.
    The gonadotrophic hormones are follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinizing hormone (LH). Follicle
    Stimulating Hormone (FSH) stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone, and LH stimulates them
    to secrete more testosterone. This feedback mechanism is known as the hypothalamic-pituitary-testes
    axis (HPTA), and results in an increase of the bodys own testosterone production.
    Best way to take Clomid is to wait until androgen levels in our blood get lower and you can determine this
    clomid.
    How To Use Clomid
    Day 1 300mg
    Days 2-7 100mg daily
    Days 8-14 50mg daily
    Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
    Nolvadex is a SERM (Selective Estrogen-Receptor Modulator.) It selectively binds to certain estrogen
    receptors, effectively blocking the estrogen.
    It may be used during steroid cycle in case you feel gyno symptoms at 10mg/day until gyno symptoms go
    away or for Post Cycle Therapy at dosage of 20mg/day for 4 weeks.
    May be stacked with Clomid in some cases.
    How To Use Nolvadex
    20mg/day for 4 weeks after steroid cycle.
    HCG
    HCG Human chorionic gonadotropin.
    HCGs role is to stimulate Leydig cells in testes to produce testosterone even when there is not
    endogenous LH.
    Leydig cells, also known as interstitial cells of Leydig, are found adjacent to the seminiferous
    tubules in the testicle. They produce testosterone in the presence of luteinizing hormone (LH).
    Leydig cells are polyhedral in shape, display a large prominent nucleus, an eosinophilic
    cytoplasm and numerous lipid-filled vesicles. (c) WIKIPEDIA
    Now to main point, many use HCG after cycle in order to help restore natural testosterone production but
    we at steroidscycles dot net think that better to use HCG during heavy cycle in order to avoid testicular
    atrophy. Using between 500IU and 1000IU per day for 2 weeks is a good choice. Here is good to add
    10mg of nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) in order to prevent estrogenic symptoms which may appear as a
    result of aromatisation.
    HCG usage during cycle should be stopped with 7 weeks before you begin Post Cycle Therapy.
    How To Use HCG
    500-1000 IU/day for 2 weeks while on heavy steroid cycle
    Great info here except stopping 7 weeks before PCT. This could be a typo. You can actually run a low dose of hcg 125 iu's the last week up to your start day of PCT.

    mands

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    Probably another typo, but FSH increases sperm production while LH increases TT secretion.

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    That's what I get for using the cell phone that darn spell corrector - 7 weeks? Both you guys are correct but typically many would old school it 7 days not weeks lol. Theory is one needs to regain size of nut on order to house more fluids and soerm. Many guys also run HCG throughout the cycle - you can actually find several theories that have been used, but yes the 7 weeks was typo

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