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    Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Background

    Age: 32
    Weight: 92kg/201lbs
    Height: 5'10"
    Prior 2 cycles: (1) Enanthate, Sus, Deca for 16 weeks, (2) Sus for 12 weeks

    Diet is fine. Working out 6 days per week.

    Goal

    Primarily to gain mass, but I would also like to harden the mass I already have and cut up a bit (which is why I've thrown in the Masteron).



    Anavar is proving too difficult to source in Australia and I've heard Winstrol hurts like a bitch, otherwise I would have used them.

    Proposed Cycle

    Weeks 1-14: Sustanon 250mg EOD
    Weeks 1-16: Tren Ace 100mg EOD
    Weeks 7-16: Masteron P 100mg EOD
    Weeks 3-16: HCG 200IU E4D
    Weeks 3-16: Arimidex 0.25mg E3D

    Proposed PCT

    Week 17: nothing
    Week 18: nothing
    Weeks 19-21: 40mg Nolvadex ED (25mg Aromasin ED, if I can get it)
    Weeks 22-24: 20mg Nolvadex ED (25mg Aromasin ED, if I can get it)

    Any suggestions, critiques, improvements appreciated - thanks!

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    I personally think you are just spinning your wheels using sust with mast and tren ace... It will work... but not as well as another form of test.. like Test prop...

    Sustanon has test deconate in it which has a 15 day half life... why would you want to mix a long ester with two short esters... doesnt make since.

    Sustanon was designed originally for TRT... not what we do... the dosing schedule for sust trt is once E2W...

    pinning sust EOD to maximize the prop levels is just bro science... very little of the sust blend is prop... the bulk is mid and long esters... it will work... but there are others out there better suited for what you need... like Test PROP...

    And starting your pct 2 weeks after running sust is also wrong... your last shot is just kicking in after two weeks (deconate ester)

    To do a pct correctly you need to do the math according to dosage and ester half life... and for Test deconate you will need to wait no less than 6 weeks.

    from your previous cycles it appears you need to gain a little more knowledge about gear before you run another... Stop listening to the guys in the gym and learn for yourself... Why would you run Test E with Sust? Why not one or the other....

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    ^^^^^ agreed prop is easy to get ,Gives good results and as for winny hurting like a bitch,Maybe whom ever told you that was just that a bitch!
    If discomfort is an issue than gear maybe an issue!

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Thanks guys. Not sure why using two short esters are bad to use with a long ester, but I'll drop the Masteron and consider Test Prop or Winny for the last 6 weeks.

    The first two cycles were designed for me by someone else. That's why I've stopped using gear for a year and been researching a shitload. This cycle I'm designing myself.

    As for the PCT, I've done the math and used the following site:

    PCT Calculator - Post Cycle Therapy Calculator - Post Cycle Therapy

    I stop Sustanon at week 14, so the Sus (i.e. the longest ester) is done for 4 weeks before I begin PCT. I could start 5 or 6 weeks after, but it doesn't look like it makes much of a difference according to the calcs/chart. I'm not doing monster Sus dosages.

    If I drop the Masteron, and taking into account the PCT calculator I linked and the fact I'm starting PCT 4 weeks after my last Sus shot, does the cycle look good?

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Quote Originally Posted by fowzee View Post
    Thanks guys. Not sure why using two short esters are bad to use with a long ester, but I'll drop the Masteron and consider Test Prop or Winny for the last 6 weeks.

    The first two cycles were designed for me by someone else. That's why I've stopped using gear for a year and been researching a shitload. This cycle I'm designing myself.

    As for the PCT, I've done the math and used the following site:

    PCT Calculator - Post Cycle Therapy Calculator - Post Cycle Therapy

    I stop Sustanon at week 14, so the Sus (i.e. the longest ester) is done for 4 weeks before I begin PCT. I could start 5 or 6 weeks after, but it doesn't look like it makes much of a difference according to the calcs/chart. I'm not doing monster Sus dosages.

    If I drop the Masteron, and taking into account the PCT calculator I linked and the fact I'm starting PCT 4 weeks after my last Sus shot, does the cycle look good?
    NO... are you listening????


    DROP THE SUST!!!!

    KEEP THE MASTERON AND ADD TEST PROP!

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Quote Originally Posted by IronCore View Post
    NO... are you ****ing listening????


    DROP THE ****ING SUST!!!!

    KEEP THE MASTERON AND ADD TEST PROP!
    Easy killer, lol... I can see that no test is like being on tren for you

    For the OP....
    Test Prop/Tren Ace/Masteron... that's a perfect combo to cut with and even gain a little size along the way. You can adjust your diet to get the desired results. The number of calories you consume daily will be the biggest factor influencing your gains. For a true cut, you've got to put yourself in a deficit. To gain, you have to go above and beyond.

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Quote Originally Posted by IronCore View Post
    NO... are you ****ing listening????


    DROP THE ****ING SUST!!!!

    KEEP THE MASTERON AND ADD TEST PROP!
    Hey Iron,

    Yep - listening and trying to understand. 2 questions:

    1) I have been trying to filter out good advice from bad advice etc. but it's difficult - I have been all over a bunch of forums for months now. I've never come across the advice that you should use similar ester lengths in your cycle until now (and now I see it everywhere when I google, go figure...but no one explains it). Why is this?

    2) I'm trying to bulk up first and foremost. Cutting is secondary. If I do a test enanthate (250mg EOD)/tren acetate (100mg EOD) cycle, is that a decent combo in your opinion?

    3) If I did the masteron/test prop/tren ace cycle, would that be more of a bulk or more of a cutting cycle? What dosage and when for test prop?

    Thanks for the help - still learning!
    Last edited by fowzee; 07-19-2011 at 01:22 PM.

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    IF you are dead set on running tren, you want to run tren E instead of ace IMO. Run long esters with twice weekly injections only. Some people don't realize that larger injections twice weekly as opposed to smaller injections EOD with mid-length esters will actually give you higher overall levels. Your levels will be very consistent with EOD injections, but you won't have many "peaks". The same thing goes for EOD vs ED injections with short esters.

    IMO, run this....

    Sustanon 750mg EW
    Deca 500mg EW
    EQ 500mg EW

    maybe throw in some dbol in the beginning and end your last 3-4 weeks with just test prop. If you can't gain a shit ton of size on that cycle then you are not eating enough food my friend.

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    My opinion , keep in mind that IronCore and those guys are way more knowledgable than I ,,but
    I feel your Question 3 listed above would be a cut cycle for sure ..
    You want to bulk up first and foremost than In my eyes you wouldnt run the Mast /Tren .
    If you wanna bulk and are serious abotu bulking go with like
    Test E
    Deca
    and do 6 weeks of Dbol at the begining or end .
    Just a old school bulk cycle

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Quote Originally Posted by fowzee View Post
    Hey Iron,

    Yep - listening and trying to understand. 2 questions:

    1) I have been trying to filter out good advice from bad advice etc. but it's difficult - I have been all over a bunch of forums for months now. I've never come across the advice that you should use similar ester lengths in your cycle until now (and now I see it everywhere when I google, go figure...but no one explains it). Why is this?

    Simply put... injection schedule... you dont need to inject longer esters as often as short esters... the point is to keep the hormone levels stable...

    2) I'm trying to bulk up first and foremost. Cutting is secondary. If I do a test enanthate (250mg EOD)/tren acetate (100mg EOD) cycle, is that a decent combo in your opinion?

    again... no If you DO run this combo your inject schedule will be effed up... there is no need to run Enanthate EOD... E3D (mon/thur) is the norm... short esters are EoD

    3) If I did the masteron/test prop/tren ace cycle, would that be more of a bulk or more of a cutting cycle? What dosage and when for test prop?

    Did you read what GS said? most of this will rely on your DIET... Steroids are not magic... the do make an enormous difference... but they aren't magic.. Look at it like this... Diet is the Cake... Exercise is the icing... and Gear is the candles on the cake!


    Thanks for the help - still learning!
    Ummm thats THREE (3) questions!

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Quote Originally Posted by IronCore View Post
    Ummm thats THREE (3) questions!
    Forgot to edit the 2 when I editted it and added that last question Thanks for reply.

    For the cutting cycle of Test Prop, Tren Ace, Masteron - would running each of those at 100mg EOD for the full 16 weeks be recommended?

    For bulking cycle, I would have liked to get my hands on Tren Enanthate instead of Tren Ace, but in Australia it's difficult to source.

    What would be the effect of just doing a Sus/EQ cycle? Why the need for deca? And what would the proper doses be?

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    Quote Originally Posted by fowzee View Post
    Forgot to edit the 2 when I editted it and added that last question Thanks for reply.

    For the cutting cycle of Test Prop, Tren Ace, Masteron - would running each of those at 100mg EOD for the full 16 weeks be recommended?

    For bulking cycle, I would have liked to get my hands on Tren Enanthate instead of Tren Ace, but in Australia it's difficult to source.

    What would be the effect of just doing a Sus/EQ cycle? Why the need for deca? And what would the proper doses be?
    Deca will put the most size on you. EQ will add size but keep you fairly lean in the process... and I gave you a dosing protocol in my last post

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    I love what prop/tren/mast does to the aesthetics of my physique.

    Sust is just fine for a bulk, if you've got it laying around. Grizzness goes off on those people that say you have to pin EOD with Sust. 2x/week he says is just fine. But if you don't mind pinning EOD, 250mg of Sust EOD is great for a bulk all by itself! That's a good amount of test, especially if you pair it with a high calorie diet. Throwing in 400mg-600mg of deca per week kicks it up another notch.

    An oral kick start is always fun, dbol or abombs....

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    Re: Tren A, Sus, Masteron cycle comments

    OOOHHH boy!
    Sustanon at 750mg. PW
    +
    equipoise at 600mg. PW
    +
    deca at 600mg. PW

    =
    NEWBIE TO NASTY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Get Some View Post
    Deca will put the most size on you. EQ will add size but keep you fairly lean in the process... and I gave you a dosing protocol in my last post
    Gotta agree with this one. For a third cycle Sust/Deca/EQ (750/500/500 or 750/400/600) would be the way to go. Nice, easy and all end at the same time.

    Fowzee- Try not to put so much emphasis on using different AAS. They all work. Everything you do outside of the cycle will determine what gains you make. Keep it simple. There was a time that I also put to much emphasis on the cycle but over time I've realized that the basics are where it's at for a bulk.

    Running it as GS described is pretty close to the original dosage you planned out. It's a little higher but with the absence of Tren A, the higher dosage really isn't that much of a biggie. The cycle will be more comfortable too. Less sides, less pins and an overall better feeling throughout the cycle. At least for me anyways. Make sure you read a few profiles on each. Check the sides to compare what might be best for you. In the end it is all up to you. But as I stated, keep it simple.

    HDH

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