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    Quote Originally Posted by prime View Post
    The hard on le has is the aas and mj are low hanging fruit. Easy to bust, little resistance and the sheeple think something was accomplished. All it does is cost tax payers money.
    Truth right there^



    Might add, Law makers ignorance has led to aas being lumped into the same category as other far more dangerous drugs.
    Never heard of a juicer stealing, hurting or killing to support their next cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionic Bill View Post
    The Superior on S-f's posted up earlier today, in the shout box too. Not sure if its the same cat?
    No shit, now THAT is interesting..... I was thinking he was there so I also wonder that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excessiveone View Post
    Truth right there^

    Might add, Law makers ignorance has led to aas being lumped into the same category as other far more dangerous drugs.
    Never heard of a juicer stealing, hurting or killing to support their next cycle.
    Like banning guns so criminals cant have them? Oh wait, that doesn't work...

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    5 people have died in my town this week from heroin. 22 total so far this year. Its only February. Some were high school kids. Its easier to get than cigarettes or booze, and they can't do anything about it. Sickening.

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    They didn't mention how a warrant was made...
    Seems as they don't have much information at all so how can a warrant be made?
    They know a lot more about it than ther leading the media and all of us about it..
    And I doubt he was "cutting" I would bet he made it into a solution to get the dose he was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionic Bill View Post
    The Superior on S-f's posted up earlier today, in the shout box too. Not sure if its the same cat?
    I just read superior lab was the owners of S-F fourm Pat Venisson was his screen name. Time will tell

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    This bust took place close to me. I posted this up at HCM and BBX. It was on the local news last night. The guy doesn't look like a lifter but the source label is what surprised me.

    18,000 doses of liquid steroids. The news article actually is kind of funny if you read it. They have no clue what they have or what the street value is! Then the officer goes to mention..I know people in school who took that stuff and are messed up! Makes us all look really intelligent!

    Anyway...sure glad I didn't know this guy. Wonder how many of my friends did though.

    What bother me worse...we're more known for Opioid abuse, meth and heroin in this area than anything..why aren't they concentrating more on that is puzzling. Also not really much was stated about how they came to know of this guy and his dealings or what tipped them off. Kind of sounds like it could of been a USPS thing. Who knows. I'll keep my ears open though...

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    more....(before the updated version):

    A Medford man faces felony counts for selling 18,000 doses of illegal steroids and hundreds of doses of drugs that help with male sexual dysfunction. Medford police say they believe it's the largest steroid case in the department's history and think the drugs likely would have been sold to bodybuilders looking to "get ripped."
    Medford Area Drug and Gang Enforcement, or MADGE, investigators are still investigating how Rafael Rene Fernandez, 39, received such large amounts of liquid anabolic steroid, Viagra and Cialis.
    These drugs require a prescription to obtain, MADGE Lt. Brett Johnson said.
    "We believe (Fernandez) was getting these drugs through the mail," Johnson said.
    On Wednesday, MADGE investigators served a search warrant at Fernandez's house on Cedar Links Drive. They found 18,000 doses of liquid anabolic steroid, 250 doses of Viagra, and 1.8 pounds of a white powder believed to be Viagra and Cialis, Johnson said.
    Investigators believe Fernandez was essentially operating an illicit pharmacy out of his home, Johnson said.
    "He was making the capsules himself and blending the steroids with sterile water to make it into a larger quantity product," Johnson said.
    The steroids and capsules were placed in homemade packaging labeled "Superior Labs," a company name that Fernandez concocted, perhaps to give his products an image of legitimacy.
    MADGE found sales records and $15,707 in cash, which is believed to be the proceeds of drug sales, Johnson said.
    "It looked to be quite a profitable business for him based on the proceeds we found at the house," Johnson said. "However, he was not a doctor or a pharmacist."
    MADGE is investigating whether Fernandez had any local buyers. It is believed he was selling to people from out of the area, based on the amount of drugs found inside the home.
    "We think he was packaging it and selling it to other dealers across the country," Johnson said.
    This is most likely the largest steroid bust in Medford police history, Johnson said.
    "We've never had an anabolic steroid case this large," he said. "We've caught people with user quantities, but never dealer quantity like this."
    Johnson said the availably of the drugs through the mail is troubling.
    "You can certainly find this stuff and order it from other countries," Johnson said.
    MADGE is working to find out the estimated street value of each steroid dose. The agency is taking a crash course on steroid economics, Johnson said.


    "I can tell you how much meth and heroin go for on the street, but we have no idea about steroids," Johnson said. "But we are looking forward to finding out something new."
    Johnson speculates the steroids were mostly sold to body builders elsewhere in the country.
    "They were probably headed to people in gyms who want to get ripped and do it the wrong way," Johnson said.
    In addition to the steroids and Viagra, other substances were found that have yet to be identified. One substance could be human growth hormone, which has made headlines recently as the performance-enhancing drug of choice among professional athletes.
    Personal trainer Brandon Overstreet, who lives in Talent and works throughout the valley, said some people feel the need to take shortcuts like steroids to get in shape.
    "It's sad, really," Overstreet said. "It's cheating, not to mention all the damage it can do to your body."
    Overstreet said there are a few people in most gyms who use performance-enhancing drugs.
    "It's everywhere," he said. "You have guys who do it and you have guys who sell it."
    Overstreet said he knew people in college who used steroids. The results were disturbing, he said.
    "They became quick-tempered ... it turned them into monsters," he said.
    Fernandez was lodged in the Jackson County Jail on charges of delivery, manufacture and possession of steroids, delivery, manufacture and possession of Viagra and delivery and manufacture of Cialis.
    Delivery and manufacture of steroids is a felony under Oregon law. The rest of the charges were misdemeanors, Johnson said.
    Fernandez was lodged in jail on $18,000 bail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruffino View Post
    I just read superior lab was the owners of S-F fourm Pat Venisson was his screen name. Time will tell
    Now that is interesting... Where did you here that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littleguy View Post
    LMAO more common than you may think my friend, I knew a guy that got busted just at the tail end of ORD he was/ is an EXTREMELY intelligent guy and had plenty of time, warning etc.... he got popped and he even had records/ labeled packs all that shit.
    Surprised the **** out of a lot of us when he went down.
    It's a helluva thing the way the criminal mind and ego work. The feds know how it works. They have it all written down and train the new POS that are coming aboard.
    They know we like to keep paperwork or some sort of ledger showing the things we've done. We like to look back on the shit and smile and pump our ego's up.
    Once I learned that LE knows how my mind works, I was able to make adjustments and be safer. That's why it's SOOOO important to trust that your source erases/deletes everything to the best of his ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruffino View Post
    I just read superior lab was the owners of S-F fourm Pat Venisson was his screen name. Time will tell
    Pat Venisson, where did you hear that from?

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    Was it 18,000 cc of juice?

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    Peter Dale Scott, Sybil Edmonds and others talk about the heroin trade as being part of a high up politically connected apparatus, making powerful people rich.

    AAS is mostly simple regulars folks.

    Where are they gonna look to arrest folks? Cocktail party circuit or Joe Six Pack?

    Look at HSBC- laundering BILLIONS for drug cartels. A fine, they are still in business.

    This guy will probably do time, right? Go figure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littleguy View Post
    If you guys even knew how many LE that I know locally that use it would trip you out, of course really good family guys with their little kids crawling all over them etc............no roid ragers.lmao

    Wtf is wrong with people?
    Meth, pills are outta control and thefts are rampant crazy priorities IMO but wtf do I know
    Its a money thing bro...They make laws to benfit from them.So,what the media does is they demonize something and make it seem taboo then everyone in the world is brainwashed.Money is the root to all evil.And nothing will ever change.Hell there are so many laws i say about 70 persent of them they dont enforce because they have so many.

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