bulk to cut transition plan

Originally Posted by NutNut

Your plan looks solid though kre-alkylyn is no better then monohydrate and doesn't need removed as it will help hold water intracellularly, increased muscle cell volume is good. I know this flys in the face of many "old school" trainers but if your bodyfat is where it should be creatine will do nothing but make you look fuller and have the much needed atp for energy. The most common study to show this is Creatine Supplementation Increases Total Body Water Without Altering Fluid Distribution but beyond that many guys run it right up to contest.

Good to know & good article.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Note if you manage a post show taper down on the nolvadex, the rebound is probably no worse than the post-show recover itself.

hmmm....interesting, that does make me want to reconsider that option...so sassy, just the nolvadex and not proviron with it? I have wondered why so many stack the 2 when the nolvadex would provide what seems to be a decent product by itself. Perhaps I should at least get enough for a run and taper....just in case my body decides to fight for dear life to keep that ass fat LOL

my dear s.o. is suggesting I throw in peptides...I am not sure how I feel about that as far as cutting goes...I am interested in the anti aging and potential muscle growth from them, but just not sure I want to be a lab rat for them pre contest. Now, if I could find some good solid evidence that I could cut effectively while using peptides, then I would be interested....but have yet to find that info....

Originally Posted by shan

I hadnt even thoufht about the tanning one...I really need the tanning beds to clear up my skin...it is problematic even at my age LOL...Guess being oily means slower to wrinkle, so I shouldnt complain

FWIW I've had oily skin all of my life - its actually settled down some since my late 30s (hormone levels dropping) and no wrinkles Just the forehead lines that I've had since I was a kid.

Originally Posted by shan

hmmm....interesting, that does make me want to reconsider that option...so sassy, just the nolvadex and not proviron with it? I have wondered why so many stack the 2 when the nolvadex would provide what seems to be a decent product by itself. Perhaps I should at least get enough for a run and taper....just in case my body decides to fight for dear life to keep that ass fat LOL

my dear s.o. is suggesting I throw in peptides...I am not sure how I feel about that as far as cutting goes...I am interested in the anti aging and potential muscle growth from them, but just not sure I want to be a lab rat for them pre contest. Now, if I could find some good solid evidence that I could cut effectively while using peptides, then I would be interested....but have yet to find that info....

People tend to stack proviron w/ nolvadex going into show date as they are "synergistic" and have been recommended as a competition cutting stack since the early days of WAR / Anabolics 200x. Nolva acts to interrupt the estrogen process by faking out estrogen receptors (read about SERMs - selective estrogen receptor modulators) while proviron is a highly androgenic steroid (yes it is still a steroid) that does not convert to estrogen so no water retention, and is geared very much towards promoting tightening, particularly in the mid-section.

By itself, nolvadex will still work towards interrupting the estrogen-pattern bodyfat depositing. Proviron basically supplements that by working on the testosterone / androgenic side. Both (or either) are not recommended to run for more than 8 weeks. I would probably suggest longer than 4 weeks tho - for women, since you're manipulating your hormone levels, your menstrual cycle tends to respond by spending the first month in this environment, trying to figure out what's going on. This can result in break thru bleeding, no period or unusually heavy period. If you give it more than 4 weeks, then your system has more time to figure it out and most likely will pick to just stop flow for a while. No guarantee you won't still experience your usual menstrual cycle water retention or mood swings, just w/o the flow. So something to check is when your regular period will land relative to your show date. No guarantees w/ this - if you're running cycles during your show prep, most likely you're running them longer than 4-8 weeks. As such, a steroid cycle, on its own, and probably also just the bodyfat loss will contribute to interruption of your period (flow - reference amenorrhea).But for this stack specifically, the recommended shorter run won't necessarily give your body long enough for it to adjust to the changing hormone levels to decide if its going to flow extra hard, or just stop. This can just be very inconvenient as you come into show day.

The reason for the short recommended cycle for nolvadex is that long-term use of it can promote early menopause (which has its own set of issues). Proviron, as mentioned, is very androgenic - so longer term use of it can lead to very androgenic sides. Normally people don't run proviron for a long time because it does nothing for muscle growth (very, very low anabolic component), so I wouldn't say I've ever really heard of anyone runniing into bad androgenic sides as a result of it.

Originally Posted by shan

So..do you get dark enough to skip the protan before a show? Lol

Melanotan will not give you a tan dark enough to replace stage tan. A caveat on MT2 is that it also darkens any freckles you may have or have but can't see. It might promote lots of dark freckles that looks like black spots. To that end, you'd definitely need stage tan just to even that out. I've also heard of women growing darker, thicker hairs (like on your arms), and taking too much or using it too long at a higher dose (i.e. as you go, you'd probably want to either lower the dose or extend the interval between doses) to avoid getting sick - basically too much of it in your system can promote feeling sick.

I personally used it several years ago. The spots were the worst part for me - I'm already very light-skinned, and the spots really started looking black. I stopped because it wasn't worth it to me. Easy to just hit the tanning bed for shows, and not worry about a tan otherwise.

Damn good thread!